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350. Rose Does the Research: History and Professional Wrestling With Rose Lerner

What do Gothics and professional wrestling have in common? A lot – if you’re listening to Rose Lerner. Even if you’re not into professional wrestling, you’ll enjoy listening to her talk about it.

A few things we talk about:

  1. Was Aaron Burr a troll, and can you fact check Hamilton shitposts on Tumblr?
  2. Is it time for a lesbian Jewish Regency Gothic retelling of Jane Eyre?
  3. Is there a lot to learn about storytelling inside professional wrestling?

The answer to all of those is “Yes,” by the way.

We also talk about having favorites of the books one has written, writing deliberate, cautious moments in sex scenes, and which sex scenes are among the favorites of Rose’s readership. We discuss learning to respect your writing progress, even when you don’t want to look too closely at how it works, and the powerful productivity of setting smaller goals, using mini-habits, and rewarding yourself with your own progress. And we talk a lot about professional wrestling, and how Heels and Faces and Feuds have built her romance writing skills.

We also talk about Rose’s Patreon, and as a member of said Patreon, I want to tell you, it is a freaking joy to receive her weekly Patreon newsletter. It’s adorable, it’s fun, it’s informative, and I look forward to it every week. If you like obscure deep dives into history on such topics as what kinds of play tea sets did young girls have during the Regency, this is for you.

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Here are the books we discuss in this podcast:

You can find Rose Lerner on her website, Rose Lerner.com, on her research site, Rose Does the Research.com, and on Twitter @RoseLerner. You can also learn more about her upcoming workshop at the FTHRW website.

And, no kidding, please have a look at her Patreon at Patreon.com/RoseLerner, because her newsletter for Patrons is adorable and fun and I look forward to it every week.

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  1. Paige Nieto says:

    I was one of those who didn’t get the appeal of wrestling until a friend basically broke it down for me as a soap opera for men. And it’s fairly accurate. Still not a fan but to each their own! ^_^

  2. Kareni says:

    Thanks for another enjoyable interview and for the transcript.

  3. Ren Benton says:

    I researched wrestling for a book and developed a kinship because of its parallels to romance—it’s another thing that “outsiders” don’t understand, misrepresent, and mock (with the minor difference that wrestlers are risking their health and lives for their form of entertainment). I’ll never enjoy watching it, but I appreciate the spirit of the thing and the good people involved.

  4. Mona says:

    FYI: The links to Rose Lerner’s patreon are broken on mobile.

    I am looking forward to listening to tge podcast as soon as i have abit of time, Rose Lerner os among my favorite authors and I will track down her patreon to join.

  5. EC Spurlock says:

    Thank you Rose Lerner for helping me understand that pro wrestling is really a BDSM soap opera for men. Now I have a horrible need for a WCW match between Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi. Blame May 4th.

  6. Jill Q. says:

    Ha, yes, put me down as another person who will never personally get wrestling but I have a huge respect for the entertainers who do it. Does anyone else remember the Lisa Cach book “George and the Virgin?” (I think she changed the title for Kindle) The hero is pro wrestler who travels back in time to a town that is being rampaged by a “dragon.” And b/c his persona is “St. George the Dragon Slayer” they decide he’s the man for the job. But all is not what it seems… I’m not sure how well it’s held up, but I found it light-hearted fun when I read it about ten or fifteen years ago. I was reading it in an airport and laughing hysterically. An older woman said she had to ask me what I was reading and when I told her and what it was about, I could tell she was definitely flummoxed with that information.

  7. Momo says:

    Really excited about this podcast, as I’m a big fan of Lerner’s work

  8. Momo says:

    This podcast was absolutely delightful and spoke to me on every level. I especially loved the discussion of emotionally ambivalent relationships. I am very excited for Ms. Lerner’s upcoming lesbian gothic romance.

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