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571. Geeky Gen-X Romance with Cathy Yardley

Role Playing
A | BN
Cathy Yardley joins me this week to talk about her new book, Role Playing, which is a Gen-X romance featuring “an unapologetically grumpy forty-eight-year-old hermit” who joins an online gaming guild as Bogwitch and meets a healer named Otter. We talk about writing romance for 20 years and counting, and Cathy shares video game recs and book recs, too!


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  1. DiscoDollyDeb says:

    Can’t wait to listen to this—I just finished ROLE PLAYING, and it’s on my list of favorite books of the year!

  2. Maureen says:

    Great interview! I LOVED Role Playing, and I’m so excited to read the new book Cathy is writing…it sounds awesome!

  3. Kareni says:

    Well, that was definitely a fun episode! Thank you, Sarah and Cathy and Garlic Knitter.

  4. SB Sarah says:

    Thank you!!

  5. Teresa says:

    Thank you for this and the recognition of LA Bank and those street teams. The Black Romance Podcast speaks so much of her and it was lovely to see the video of her. She was so impactful.

    Cathy’s latest is a really special book. She nailed it.

  6. SB Sarah says:

    LA Banks was so incredible. I was a guest at one of Heather Graham’s Writers for New Orleans with LA Banks and Kayla Perrin, and it was so much fun. Her call story was hilarious, her ability to gather a room when she spoke, and her knowledge — it was really an honor to be on a panel with her. I have so many memories of her laugh, too. Her discussion of her street team and the organic publicity she learned from them was fascinating.

  7. catscatscats says:

    This was a lovely, rich conversation, thank you, and for the transcript.

  8. flchen1 says:

    Thank you so much, Cathy, Sarah, and GK!

    What Cathy said about representation being a big change within romance over the past 20 years really resonates–as a Chinese American woman, the landscape in that sense has definitely changed, especially in the past couple years. It is thrilling to see more and more PoC on covers and to read experiences that more closely mirror my own!

    And thanks for the recs!

  9. Kit says:

    I ordered a copy for myself, and a copy for my friend/fellow party member (Kobold warlock).

  10. Julie says:

    Haha… I was just googling the website to get the name of Role Playing when you said this is where the listener pauses the podcast. 🙂

  11. Cat says:

    I read Role Playing after listening to this episode, and enjoyed it very much. Thanks for the interesting interviews and excellent book recs!

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