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440: Laziness Does Not Exist with Dr. Devon Price

Laziness Does Not Exist
A | BN | K | AB
I have been so excited to share this interview. Devon Price is the author of Laziness Does Not Exist, which outlines the three main ways in which “the Laziness Lie” deceives us into denying ourselves rest and care. As I said in my review, this is a book with something for everyone: it addresses historical roots of laziness lie in colonialism and capitalism, and looks at productivity myths, diet culture, gender and sexuality, activism fatigue, parenting, relationship management, and self-abuse.

Also, Dr. Price has a chinchilla and you must hear us talk about its name.

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  1. Karen H near Tampa says:

    When I retired, I felt guilty that I was no longer being a “productive” member of society. Never mind what I had done in the past, not having something specific to do now was a real negative. On the other hand, I was lucky to be born in an earlier time when there were no cell phones and no expectation that you would work 25 hours a day. When those things started happening, I refused to buy in and would not even give my cell phone number to my bosses (obviously, I did not work in a field that had life-or-death emergencies). I figured that I was more capable than a lot of people and if I couldn’t accomplish something in a workday that it couldn’t be done in a workday and it would have to wait. HOWEVER, (and this amazes me a bit), I would cheerfully tell people that I was just inherently lazy, in spite of what I actually did. For instance, for a few years in my 40s, I worked 40 hours a week as a senior computer programmer, taught two community college level classes in computer science, and worked on my master’s degree in computer science simultaneously. When people were surprised, I would tell them that it wasn’t a big deal because 1) I didn’t have children and 2) I used my vacations to work on school projects. I know this is rambling but I think what helped me the most was the fact that my father was a 20-year Air Force man who remained an NCO because he didn’t want to be bothered being an officer because he had a family and friends he wanted to be with. With that example, I was able to tell people that, yes, I was smart enough for a Ph.D. or to run a company, but I just didn’t feel the perceived reward was worth the effort. I wanted to live my life outside of work and if they thought the worst of me, so be it. And, by the way, I got over my feelings of uselessness pretty quickly and am now happy to do what I want on my own time and terms (well, mostly). I have the book on hold at the library and am looking forward to reading it.

  2. Kareni says:

    Thanks for another enjoyable interview, Sarah. And thanks for sharing your story, Karen H.

  3. Jeff says:

    Amazing episode. I needed to hear this message as I’m someone who always feels the need to be doing something. It was only over this past holiday season that I allowed myself a couple of days of simply being on the couch and watching Netflix. As enjoyable as that was, I felt a little guilty about the things I wasn’t doing. How silly was that! I’ve already picked up this audiobook so I can read all of Dr. Price’s book and hopefully learn better ways to manage myself. Thanks, Sarah for bringing Dr. Price to your show.

  4. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! This was exactly when I needed to hear right now as I am planning my new year and all the things I want to accomplish. I always plan way more than I can possibly do, even in a good year–let alone a year with an ongoing pandemic (and yeah, all that other stuff.)

    And a shout-out from my granddaughter to all the other furries! Thank you for mentioning her tribe.

  5. Marie says:

    I loved this podcast episode. It’s a needed message for me and probably for many people. I came across this quote today from Edgar Allen Poe (one of my favorite authors) that made me think about this episode again.

    “I have no faith in human perfectibility. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active—not more happy—nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.”

    Particularly the part about being only more active – not more happy.

    It’s a bit dark, but, yea, it’s Poe. 🙂

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