Book Review

Dance With Me by Emmie Dark

DNF

Title: Dance With Me
Author: Emmie Dark
Publication Info: Emmie Dark 2013
ISBN: 9780992352301
Genre: Contemporary Romance


Book Dance With Me Caveats to this review:

1. In this review, I discuss sexual assault, gang rape, and the events in Maryville, Steubenville, and elsewhere. If discussions of assault and rape culture are upsetting or traumatic for you, please be warned before reading more.

2. I read this book through the lens of my own experience and my own awareness. Which seems like an obvious thing — of course I read through the lens of my own experience. In this case, I need to point that out, because my point of view as an American reader may have (by which I mean probably did) inform my reaction to the hero of this book. The author of this book is Australian, I believe, and I do not believe there was intention on her part to create a hero who is heavily influenced and emblematic of what I see as rape culture.

Moving on.

I was doing just fine with this book until one specific moment. The heroine, Polly, is an Australian tourist traveling alone, though booked at a hostel with other people, and she goes out to the market. After complimenting and showing a lot of interest in a merchant's jade, the merchant demands she buy some, and because she doesn't have enough money to do so or the language skills to extricate herself from the situation, she runs into a nearby bar and sits down with a young man wearing a “Berkeley” sweatshirt and asks him to pretend to be her husband for a moment.

Ok. Pseudo-pretend marriage. I'm on board so far.

The hero, Josh, is of course taken aback by the woman requesting his assistance, but he talks in Spanish to the merchant, who has chased her down with spittle-flecked ire, and calms the man down. Before he merchant leaves, he calls her a puta (whore) and spits at her feet.

Polly and Josh are momentarily surprised by that, but carry on after the dude leaves. I was thinking, well, if a dude were actually (a) married and (b) demonstrably fluent in Spanish, he would most likely (c ) take exception to some dude calling his wife a whore and spitting at her feet.

But, oh, well, time for more meet cute.

Polly is aware of her vulnerability – she's a woman traveling alone, having just ended a tour through Guatemala where she volunteered in villages in exchange for room and board with the families there. She mentions that she misses en suite bathrooms and hot running water, but is also cognizant of the privilege inherent in her preferences. One of things I found most fascinating about Polly is that as she and Josh get to know each other, she tells him that she embarked on this journey from Australia to find herself, but hasn't really much liked the self she's found – leaving her a bit sad. I found that a realistic and very interesting internal conflict, especially with the possibility that Polly would like to be a better person who likes herself more than she does at the present.

Josh is also internally conflicted. He's searching for something (I can't reveal what) and because one of his parents was Guatemalan, he spent a considerable amount of time in the town as a child. Josh has fluency and familiarity with the town, but doesn't feel at ease. He feels that he doesn't quite fit, but he knows most everyone, and his family is everywhere, welcoming him with love and effusive kisses and greetings.

After Polly and Josh meet, they end up having drinks together at different bars. Polly notices that when Josh tastes wine, he does so with the habits of a wine aficionado, holding the wine in his mouth and closing his eyes to focus on the taste and bouquet. She accompanies him on a tour of some of the wines, but she hasn't eaten since the day before, and after a few bottles, realizes she is really intoxicated.

Josh recognizes this, and after she sprains her ankle on the cobblestones, helps her up and asks her where her hostel is. Polly is aware enough to know she's done a dumb thing: she got drunk alone with a man she doesn't know in a town where no one is looking for her (she's told Josh she has “friends” who are “waiting for her,” but they both know she's lying) and can't remember the address of her hostel, only its proximity to a church and a building.

Josh takes her back to his hotel room, and again, Polly knows she is again in a vulnerable and stupid position, but the temptation of the en suite bathroom, the clean and luxurious hotel room (compared to the hot, smelly and bedbug infested — ew ew ew ew — bedrooms at the hostel) convince her to stay.

Plus, she is pretty sure Josh is not a bad person. (And, given that he's the hero, I was thinking similarly, to be honest.) He tells her that she's not safe so long as she's intoxicated and unaware of the address of her hostel, and that his room seemed like the safest option for her at the present. He figures she's about two minutes from passing out anyway.

Polly crawls into the bed, and one minute later, passes out.

Here's the actual text of that scene – this becomes important later in the review because shit will be lost by me. 

“Look, it's been fun drinking with you,” Polly explained as Josh took her arm and helped her up the step toward the bed. “And you're really hot. But I never agreed to have sex.” Better to get these things out in the open so there could be no confusion.

He arched one eyebrow. “Honey, when I have sex, I like it to be with someone who can participate.”

Polly tore away from his steadying grip and put her hands on her hips in indignation. “Are you insulting me? I have mad skills! In fact, I've been told on occasion that I'm very good….”

He pulled back the sheets on the bed. “I'm sure you are. But you'll be unconscious in about two minutes.”

“I will not!” Then she looked down at the bed. “Clean sheets!”

“Oh, God, this is fantastic.” She rubbed her cheek against the pillowcase, and closed her eyes. It was wonderful. Everything was right with the world. It was…

“Make that one minute.” Josh shook his head and sighed heavily. He should have known better.

 

So she's intoxicated and passed out in the room of a dude she just met (that I as the reader know is the hero) and despite the fact that way too many stories in the news follow a similar path, I was still ok with the story, and accepting both characters – and curious about more because their internal conflict was very intriguing to me.

Later, Polly wakes up.

Clearly he was the gentleman she'd taken him to be, because here she was, lying in his bed, fully clothed, un-raped and un-murdered, and he was sitting somewhere reading a book.

Josh has been reading for the past few hours while she slept, and she goes into the much-desired en suite bath to clean up (noticing that she looks like she passed out, with pillow creases on her face, and sweaty hair all over the place). Josh has ordered dinner, so they eat.

Then Josh suggests they go dancing. His aunt runs a dance studio he is very familiar with, and though Polly is fearful of the idea of people making fun of her because she's not a good dancer, she agrees to go with him after he promises they can just watch.

This is the scene where my estimation of Josh took a giant plummeting dive of the edge of a 50 miles cliff, and caused me to sit in angry contemplation of hero behavior for awhile.

OK. Mouth guard is in, because I know I'm going to clench my jaw as I write this.

So Josh and Polly are at the dance studio, Josh's tia (aunt) has greeted him most effusively, and Polly's a little curious about it. They watch for a minute or two, and Polly asks him about his familiarity with the studio:

“I was mostly brought up in California, but I spent some time here as a kid.”

Polly nodded. “Who are Maria-Teresa's students?”

Josh was both grateful and weirdly disappointed that Polly didn't push further. “Mostly locals, but she does lessons for tourists, too. Walk-ins off the street, or people sent to her by the concierges at some of the hotels.”

Polly leaned in closer, the side of her breast brushing his arm. It sent a shockwave through his body and sent the primitive part of his brain into overdrive. The same primitive part of his brain that had watched Polly climb into his bed that afternoon and yelled vicious insults at the more sophisticated part of his brain that had stopped him from joining her right between those sheets.” (emphasis mine)

And that's where I lost my shit.

He has a primitive part of his brain that wanted to have sex with a woman who was passed out in his bed? SHE WAS UNCONSCIOUS. AFTER A MINUTE. 

THAT IS NOT HEROIC. THAT IS NOT OK.

Even if he was attracted to her (which he was), am I to believe that this person, and possibly many other males, are individuals with “primitive” parts of their brains that think sex with an unconscious woman is a permissible thing?

I mean, clearly judging by Steubenville, Maryville, and all the other Rapevilles that have become international news at this point, that might actually be true. We might be in fact culturally deficient in instructing men that having sex with women who are drunk and don't consent or cannot consent because they are unconscious is unacceptable and is rape.

That one line in this story is at odds with all the respect and sensitivity he's shown to Polly since they met. Like all his kindness and awareness of her and his attempts to make sure she's ok, despite her lack of fluency in Spanish and her forgetting that she hadn't eaten in 24 hours, is just a veneer, an application of “sophistication” that for the time being overrides his “primitive” brain's demanding impulses that he go have sex with an unconscious woman.

I have read and re-read these scenes, trying to write this review, and asking myself over and over if maybe I read it wrong. But I don't think I did. There's a primitive part of this “hero's” brain that really wanted to jump into bed with the woman who just passed out from drinking too much.

Holy fucking shit.

And only his “sophistication” prevented him from taking advantage of her. There was a part of him that wanted to have sex with an unconscious person.

Ugh.

So that's why my estimation of this hero plummeted to negative territory.

The more I thought about it, the more angry I got. 

I've heard so much about how our culture, especially sports culture, allows this argument to flourish. I've heard too many people make excuses for young men who rape and assault drunk or unconscious women, saying it was her fault for being drunk, not his fault for choosing to rape. The attempts to defend the rapist and demean the victim on the part of parents, teachers, school systems, sports teams and even law enforcement make me sick with rage and anger, especially with the increased knowledge that as more stores of Rapeville emerge, more women are speaking up to say, “That happened to me, too.”

I do not want to believe or encourage the argument that men have “primitive” brains that don't find anything wrong with fucking an unconscious or intoxicated woman who can't consent, and throw mental tantrums when they don't get their way.

I don't want to see it in romance, not in a hero, not in any part of his brain. This “primitive male brain” may be accepted as “normal” in too many places, but it's unacceptable to me.

He's not a hero. He's a walking primitive hard-on who is only held back by his more “sophisticated” side.

After that, despite the heroine's ruminations that it felt like she'd known Josh forever even though it had only been a day, I didn't trust him. I kept waiting for the primitive side to show up again.

For the rest of the book, every time he said something sketchy, something about how he was trying to suppress some impulse that looked like assault, I lost any interest in this hero redeeming himself. Everything he did was colored by that initial comment about the primitive side of his brain, and I was wary of him being anywhere near the heroine.


He'd noticed she was attractive, of course, he was a guy after all. Blonde hair, blue eyes, great breasts: that had been his instant appraisal. It had just been a while since he'd considered an assessment like that beyond a first impression.

Shudder.


And now that his brain had caught up with the situation, his body was along for the ride. Female hips clasped to his? Check. Cue boner. Not even vaguely appropriate. Polly was so close she'd notice for sure.


Dick as divining rod? Check.

Giving me the creeps? Also check.

Then Polly twists her ankle at the dance studio:


The khaki cargo pants she was wearing rode up, revealing a delicate ankle and smooth, pale skin. He had a sudden urge to hitch her leg up high, really high so he could feel it pressed… yeah, real smart.

He dismissed the juvenile thought and met her eyes.

 

It's not interesting or sexual. His constant struggle for control is creepy for me.

 

He looked down at her foot again, disgusted with himself. He was thirty-five years old for Christ's sake. He could be attracted to a woman without turning into a brainless, slobbering idiot.

Or so he'd thought.


Every impulse he has reads to me like, “The rapist is in there.” His lack of self control isn't erotic. It's revolting.

Then, later, they're discussing how intoxicated she got, and that Josh should have been able to recognize that she was drinking too much:

 

“Sorry, blame it on years of dealing with drunk women who insist they've only had one or two.”

“I definitely had more than one or two.”

“You did.”

“And I'm okay with paying the price for that. I understand my actions have consequences. I don't need to be told that.”

He nodded, a little taken aback. Something in the set of her shoulders told him they were talking about more than just overindulging in wine.


When Josh doesn't clarify what it was they were actually talking about, I'm left wondering if Polly was excusing that primitive side of his by taking responsibility for what might have happened to her when she was drunk. The subtext is that women who get drunk are responsible for any bad things that happen to them. The people who DO the bad things, well, they have primitive parts of their brains, and are not responsible for what those primitive parts urge them to do. They can't help themselves if that “sophisticated” part is busy or distracted or unable to stop the “primitive” part.

Then Polly recognizes her hostel, and Josh has a sad:


He'd been leading them back to his hotel, without much intentional thought, although now it seemed Polly wasn't going to be in his room again tonight, he was disappointed. His still half-hard erection pouted in his pants, too.


Yeah.

They say their goodbyes, and Josh says:


He shrugged, a little embarrassed by her words. “I've enjoyed your company, too.”

“You were an excellent fake husband.”

He wanted to make a quip about her being an excellent fake wife, even withholding sex just as married women apparently did, but he managed to stop himself before the words left his mouth.

 

SHE DIDN'T WITHHOLD SEX. SHE WAS UNCONSCIOUS, YOU SHITBAG.

There's a sexist in there with the rapist apparently. Wonder which one makes his penis pout?

 

“Do you want to come back to my room?” he found himself saying. Clearly his cock had more power over his mouth than his brain did.

Their eyes met and held. Lots of meaning passed between them. Are you asking what I think you're asking? Polly's eyes said. Yes, pretty much, he hoped his eyes replied.


Run, Polly. Run.

There are some interesting moments before they parted ways in Guatemala, and I wished the hero's “primitive” impulses hadn't turned my opinion of him to permanently negative.

For example, Polly is described as very curvy, and at one point Josh mentions that her “round little belly would fit his cupped hand” — which made me stare at my own cupped hand and wonder about that, though I was happy to be reading about a heroine who was not thin and firm and flat in all the required places.

Then, they have sex, sober and conscious, and Polly makes it clear that she doesn't orgasm from penetration, and that Josh shouldn't feel like he's the one who will change all that:


Polly shook her head. “Don't worry about that. I don't come that way, anyway.”

“Huh?” Josh twisted and lay on his side so he could see her face.

“Sex. It doesn't make me come.”

Josh frowned. “Then what's the point?”

Polly tsked and rolled her eyes. “Such a guy thing to say.” She snuggled closer to him. “i like it. It feels great to be so close with someone. I guess, for me it's almost like part of the foreplay. It gets me all warmed up; then I just need a little help afterwards to get there.”

“Right.” Clearly she just hadn't had the right lover. Josh immediately set himself the challenge of making Polly orgasms the next time he was inside her. A challenge he could start work on right now.

Before he could move, Polly put a hand on his chest. “And please don't make us both suffer through the indignity of trying to prove me wrong. I've had this body for thirty years now and I know how it works.”

Josh shrugged. “if you insist.” He trailed a hand over her stomach and she shivered. “Want to tell me how it works, or should I just figure it out for myself?”

“You seemed to be doing a pretty good job of figuring it out….”

 

There's like a layer cake of WTFery in all the things I dislike about Josh's reaction here. Polly is so forthright and honest about her sexual expectations and the way her body works – awesome. But from 'What's the point?' to setting that challenge, I really, really, REALLY do not trust or like this character.

(Also, later Polly looks at his giant not-pouting-any-more schlong and wonders how it will fit.) (Of course she does.)

Their relationship progresses a small bit, then Josh heads home to San Francisco, and Polly continues on her travels, with a goal of seeing all of North America.

The meet up again accidentally when Polly winds up in San Francisco, wondering if she'll see Josh again. She goes out with a new friend, gets drunk, and is weaving her way down the street when Josh sees her. He sweeps in to rescue her, and brings her to his home, stopping the car once so she can vomit. At home, he hands her some pills, and Polly thinks:

 

Josh had rescued her tonight and in payment he'd had to deal with vomit and bird's nest hair. If he'd decided she was too much trouble and was handing her suicide pills, then she guessed she deserved it.


I get that this is a joke at Polly's own expense, but the idea that her intoxication (which occurs only twice in major form in this story, not every other chapter) and his taking care of her gives him leave to dispose of her because she's a pain in the ass…. oh, it didn't come across as funny. It came across to me as more of the creepy.

Then Polly gets really sick, and has to have emergency surgery. Plus she picked up giardia in Guatemala so there's discussion about that.

And I'm still reading at this point. I'm still highlighting lines and asking myself if I trust the hero yet, but reading chapter after chapter. Maybe he can be redeemed! I mean, I'm pretty curious about Polly, so maybe this will turn around for me. 

It didn't.

Here's why.

Josh finds Polly's passport in the mess of the guest room where she 'unpacked' in an explosion of clothes, and without telling her, puts it in his safe where he keeps his important documents. He's right, it's not necessarily safe to leave a passport on the floor in a messy room. But he doesn't tell her. Then he forgets to tell her (despite this being something he thought about while he did it, and wondered if he was doing the right thing). And he keeps on forgetting to tell her until one of Polly's friends gets very ill at home in Australia, and she's panicking, trying to find her passport so she can come home to be with her friend, and does Josh tell her that he knows where it is?

Nope.

He convinces her to stay in the US for a few more days and gets her to stop worrying about her passport. He doesn't tell her, 'Oh, I found it on the floor and put it in my safe, here it is, sorry.' He convinces her not to fly home to help her friend so she'll stop looking for it. And he feels GUILTY about it, but still lies to her anyway. Because he knows best.

And that's what I was done.

I was struggling with the primitive parts and the pouting dick and the attitude that his impulses and urges were her responsibility and her fault, and I was struggling with the fact that this “nice guy” hero was really, really not nice at all and was more of a sexist shitbag. But when he starts manipulating Polly by preventing her from exercising the choice to leave the country (and him), I was done.

Entertaining the idea that sex with Polly while she was unconscious was enough to make me angry, but the degree to which Josh's inner monologue normalized and portrayed his urges toward assault and continued manipulation gave me rage. The compounded and continued sexism of the hero and heroine's attitudes toward their own behavior ended any interest I had in the book, or any hope that I'd change my opinion of the hero. By the time he concealed that he'd taken her passport, I didn't have much hope that he'd be redeemed, and more importantly, I didn't care if he was. There was no redeeming him in my perspective, and therefore no reason to finish the book. He could have rescued an entire tractor trailer full of kittens from a smoky tunnel filled with burning cheese, and I wouldn't have liked him any better. No matter what he did, it wouldn't have been nearly enough to make up for his earlier behavior, nor for me to believe he'd changed and learned and wasn't a sexist manipulative shitbag. 


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  1. Renee says:

    I’ve been struggling over forming a reply to this review since I first saw it yesterday. I’m going to apologize in advance for the length of my comment, but this is really bothering me.

    I think the thing that is so offensive about this character is that he is a character.

    Here in reality we have to deal with all the horrible thoughts that pop into our head and all the terrible things people do to each other. There’s a lot of great stuff out here in the real world, but there’s also a lot of random ugliness. Novels aren’t meant to be like that. Novels are supposed to be realistic, certainly, but they aren’t reality. They’re supposed to engage us, and open us up to new ideas and new ways of thinking about things in our real lives. But they’re primarily considered a form of entertainment.

    It’s true that people have horrible random and sometimes not-so-random thoughts and we can’t reasonably condemn someone for what happens in the privacy of their own head. But a novel is written to paint a specific picture. There’s not really any such thing as a throw-away thought in a novel. Everything you read was put there by the writer for a reason. Usually several reasons, in fact.

    I’m not saying every sentence is meant to be fraught with ponderous meaning. Such a novel would collapse under its own weight long before it ever got all the way out into the world. But these things don’t just get slapped down on the page by accident. That author deliberately gave her male main character (I don’t really feel comfortable calling him a “hero”) thoughts about potentially sexually assaulting an unconscious woman, apparently at multiple points if he’s still thinking about the idea later. He’s turned on by her again while they’re dancing and his thoughts don’t jump back to some random sexual fantasy he’d spun earlier in the evening while they were out on their date. He thinks about how he wanted to rape her.

    It’s not just a random thought. We don’t hear every random thought that runs through a character’s head in a book. We don’t know when they need to pee or notice that their shoe is untied or that they thinks a BLT might be a good thing to have for lunch. The author doesn’t go into detail about what the female main character’s breath smelled like when she got up close, or what she looks like when she chews her food. And if his hindbrain is really just a horny lust machine, an assertion I don’t necessarily agree with but am willing to concede for the moment, then why isn’t he pondering the potential of scoring with any of the other women he must surely have passed on the street or in the hotel while we’re in his POV?

    On some level, however unconscious, the character will have theoretically noticed all of those things. But because he’s a character and not a real person, we don’t have to sift through it. We only have to hear the interesting bits, the thoughts that are relevant to the story. The author chose to call out these specific thoughts for that, chose to use these ideas from his head to paint a picture of his character for us.

    If sexual assault was relevant to the story, maybe because the woman had such a tragedy in her past and she needed to overcome her resulting distrust of all men as part of her character growth, or because he was being contrasted in some way with another potential love interest who would have taken advantage of her, then maybe putting those thoughts into the novel would make sense. Or, I don’t know, maybe if the mysterious thing he was searching for was a prophesied woman he could use but doesn’t, then that would be a context for it. Maybe his character arc could be that of a man realizing he is sexually turned on by that type of BDSM someone mentioned that involves having sex with an unconscious person. I’ve read stories about people discovering their inner Dom and not being comfortable right away with the way that squared with their conventional understanding of sexual dos and don’ts. When they’re done well, it’s a powerful and interesting bit of character development.

    I’d have no problem with any of those stories. But this isn’t a story like that. At least, I assume it’s not. I haven’t read this book but I feel like that information would have been relevant enough to make it into the review. This is a guy who is being portrayed as “normal” and “nice” and we’re meant to understand that about him from the fact that he could have raped a woman and chose not to.

    That’s the part that offensive to me. That the author is, whether intentionally or not, using the fact that he didn’t rape someone as a way to let us know what an awesome guy he is. We shouldn’t be holding up not committing sexual assault as a measure of what makes a good person. That he later goes on to lie to her and use her carelessness as a means of controlling her only further reinforces the fact that he’s not a good person.

    Now some people like to write ideas like this off. “Oh, it’s just a novel. It’s not we’re pulling aside young men and telling them to go rape helpless women.” Except that we are. A culture is as much defined by what it deems entertaining as anything else. This is a contemporary romance novel published recently and it’s sending the message that thoughts like this are not only normal, but romantic. And it’s not a unique idea. It’s a pervasive element of art and entertainment, at least here in America, and that kind of thing does effectively pull young men aside and tell them rape is okay. That women secretly want it and fantasize about it.

    I won’t go so far as to speak for women at large here, but I don’t find it romantic. I don’t find thinking about a woman as just a warm place to stick something charming. That’s not my definition of love or even attraction. I don’t find lying sexy either. Maybe some people do, and that’s their prerogative. But if that’s the brand of entertainment this novel offers, then I won’t be putting it on my TBR.

    I applaud this review. And it’s important to remember that we’re talking about a book review. This isn’t a condemnation of a person for having bad thoughts. It’s a rejection of expressing the idea of those thoughts as a form of entertainment. And if people don’t stand up and say “this idea is not okay with me; I don’t find this entertaining” when they come across something like this, then rape culture is never going to go away.

  2. Vasha says:

    Wow, Renee, well said.

  3. Jen Lois says:

    *sigh* I’ve been thinking about this review since yesterday, so I feel like I must comment.  I agree with you, Sarah, 100%.  I have three things to add.

    1. Keeping the passport so she doesn’t leave him is abuser behavior.  That is a textbook domestic violence warning sign.  I don’t play that in romance novels.  Cannot. Read. Them.  That sends such a dangerous message because partner violence is cloaked in this romanticized I’ll-do-anything-because-I-love-you rationale.  BS.

    2. Alcohol and date rape: When women drink, we say, “well she was drinking; it’s her own fault” (victim blaming, obviously).  However, that victim blaming is made even worse by GIVING MEN A PASS FOR DRINKING.  “Well, he (rapist) was drinking; he can’t be responsible for his behavior.”  The double-standard in our attributions of alcohol exacerbate the problem of date rape (in particular) and other forms of male violence against women (in general) where alcohol is involved (which often is—high statistical correlation there).  His “primal urges” mirror that for me here.  The implication is that he needs some kind of commendation for controlling them and will be faultless if/when he doesn’t; whereas she will be blamed for not controlling her drinking, and certainly not commended for all the times she *didn’t* get drunk.

    3. TSTL.  I use this term, too, sometimes.  But here’s what bothers me about it: I have only ever heard *heroines* described as “too stupid to live.”  This feels to me like an institutionalized way to blame the victim.  She’s deserving because she’s too stupid to live, so I don’t have to care about her.  Why don’t we ever label the heroes that way?  I suspect it’s just unrecognized sexism.  But let’s recognize it.  This hero sounds TSTL.

  4. Jennifer W. says:

    @ Jen Lois
    I have to disagree with your assessment of the TSTL heroine.  When I call a character too stupid to live, it is because they are not depictions of real women.  They are caricatures, and plot devices.  They are lacking in agency, not doing anything productive to solve their problems.  They are lacking in common sense or make decisions counter to their own self interest.  They sit around waiting for help from someone else (usually the hero).  This girl sounds exactly like that.  I have spent about 2 years on and off backpacking in Europe, Asia, and Australia.  So I can think of about a dozen ways to handle an aggressive vendor.  And I learned those from making mistakes, and watching other people and learning from them.  It would never even occur to me to run around looking for the first man to help me. 

    I have never read a TSTL hero.  I don’t think this hero was stupid either.  He was an ass, a predator, and a controlling jerk.  But helpless?  Stupid?  Careless?  I don’t think so. He handled his problems just fine, and the heroine’s too.  He decided what he wanted and then he went out and got it.  I can’t think of any heros that have been depicted as helpless victims. 
    I do agree that this is a result of sexism, but the sexism is a culture that values helplessness in women and predatory aggression in men.

  5. nabpaw says:

    At first reading Sarah’s review, I kept waiting for the terrible thing that caused her estimation of the hero to plummet.  After gearing up for it through fully half of the review, I was pretty astonished at what it actually turned out to be.  So he had an inappropriate thought.  Big deal, we all do.  The thing to keep in mind is that he didn’t act on the thought nor did it sound like he wanted a cookie for not acting on that thought.  The passport thing, on the other hand annoyed the shit out of me.  He crossed into the TSTL territory with that move. 

    The heroine was also TSTL, but that offended me more than annoyed me.  I identify with heroines and when they do stupid things it sometimes feels like a personal insult.  Please know that I’m not suggesting that she deserves to get raped or that she should be blamed if she does get raped.  Please also know that I very much respect the opinions of all the commenters even if I don’t particularly agree with them.

     

  6. Melody says:

    Here’s my reply to all the people who are going, “So he was attracted to her at an inappropriate time, so what?  He didn’t actually act on it.”

    For me, it’s not the fact that he found her attractive when she was drunk that was the issue.  It was the way the author described his thought process.  The idea that men are ravening beasts who want to have sex with everything that moves (or, in this case, doesn’t move), and are only barely held in check by the thin veneer of civilization imposed on them from the outside is just…super gross.

  7. Mel Johansson says:

    I’d just like to add that someday I’d love to read one of these books that has lots of references to problematic drinking where the alcohol issue is addressed. And not just some simplistic epiphany about a troubled childhood that magically puts and end to it.

    Someone who drinks to stupefaction with this frequency has an alcohol problem. It is not going to go away by itself.

  8. Charon says:

    I agree with your overall assessment, Sarah, but I definitely didn’t read the first passage where you lost your shit the same way you did. Lynne Connolly, Dora, and Jess have largely summarized this, so thanks to them for not making me feel evil for having lustful thoughts about women. Finding a woman attractive, even when she’s unconscious, isn’t rape culture. Doing anything to her, allowing someone else to do something to her, making her feel bad later for not letting you do things, that’s rape culture. (I do realize some women are grossed out by the idea that men are looking at them thinking about sex quite frequently. Sorry. C’est la vie. Please do not conflate that with rape culture.)

    And Jess, no, you’re not naive to think a guy might want to slip between the sheets for something other than sex. That’s certainly how I read that passage too – although given later comments by Douchebag Hero, I’m not so sure now.

  9. chacha1 says:

    This was a fascinating comment thread.  I thought Renee’s was an excellent piece of writing … and wish I had said all that, as well as she did, instead of going off about another book entirely.

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