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More Men Reading Romance: Scrinnameless discovers Bujold
by SB Sarah | February 16, 2009 | Monday at 12:00 pm | 81 CommentsA few weeks ago, Scrinnameless sent me word of a wonderful used bookstore in Mobile, Alabama.
Turns out Scrin is a dude - and he later wrote to me:
I think I’ve nerved myself enough to submit myself to the Will of the Bitchery. Who can suggest some good sf or fantasy romance to start me off on?
As for about myself… I’m a 22-year-old college student in Mobile, Alabama, pursuing a degree in geology. I play video games. I read, naturally, all over science fiction and fantasy, along with odds and ends here and there. I have a thing for snarky dialogue and commentary (which is how I found SBTB in the first place).
So, yes, O Masters of Romance, teach me!
Oh yeah, like I’m going to be able to resist bringing a 22 year old rock-student into the massive awesome that is romance.
I asked Scrin for more details about what he likes to read, and here was his reply:
Favorite authors: Terry Pratchett, Alan Dean Foster, Timothy Zahn, David Eddings, R.A. Salvatore, Lilian Jackson Braun, Anne George.
Titles I’ll hang onto forever: I will hurt someone over my Discworld books. But I also try to replace copies of the early Eddings when they start to wear out. Also, I intend to hang onto the Anne George Southern Sisters stuff. Oh, and my copies of Trigun (a manga, if you’re unfamiliar with it).
Why Geology: I was wiping out my core requirements to put off deciding what I wanted to do. Then I took Geology 111 (the basic course), and, well, the Uncyclopedia article on Geologists describes it pretty close.
My reply: “There are three words you need to know, and those words are “Lois McMaster Bujold.”
O RLY? replied Scrin. YES RLY, I said. A few days later, I heard back: “I Has a Bujold!”
First lesson, O Bitchery: never let a geologist near your map of the inside cover of your book. Herein is Scrin’s first account of his reading (there’s more, so hang on to your seats. And your rock hammers).
It might be unusual to start with a critique of the obligatory fantasy map inside the cover the cover, but I am a geology student. Landforms are interesting to me, and this might be good practice.
Right off the bat, I notice the Dead Lake at the north side of the map and the Limestone Country at the south. There are also several rivers, but they’re flowing south. Nothing wrong with that, except they’re all flowing down to drain the Limestone country (which tells me that this place used to be covered by the sea). A lake is pretty often a low point to the surrounding terrain, so it stands to reason that at least some of the rivers would be flowing down to it.
But wait, it’s the Dead Lake. Maybe it’s dry…Oh, wait. It’s right by what appears to be Bog-Ague Country. Sounds nasty. And boggy. And it’s right by the lake. It’s probably a gradual slope down to the lake, hovering right around the water table. So, nope, the lake doesn’t appear to be dry, and doesn’t have rivers flowing through it.
Huh. Maybe the land around there will be described at some point. I’ll reserve judgment on the map until then.
The scale of the map is measures out fifty miles, and isn’t far at all on the map. It seems the map is 17.6 cm, and fifty miles is 1.7…. Ah, heck, call it 500 miles from east to west. It’s a pretty fair piece of ground.
This should be fun, don’t you think? So behold, we commence: Scrin’s Read-a-log of The Sharing Knife: Beguilement:
Chapter 1
I am starting the actual book. I grabbed it since it’s volume one, and I’d be sure of it not starting in the middle of something.
The main female seems to be a woman named Fawn. She’s a farmgirl who’s 20 years old and, she thinks to herself, a widow. She’s also short.
The female lead seems to be a rangery nomad-type named Dag. Actually, I like that name. Short, hard, and easy to say. Well-suited for shouting. I wish I could say I like the name ‘Fawn,’ but I grew up deer hunting. My ears hear ‘Fawn,’ and my brain substitutes ‘yearling.’ Anyway, they set up quite a bit in this chapter.
I just finished chapter one, and I know that Fawn’s had man trouble. I know the Lakewalkers are a nomadic rangery-type of people who dedicate themselves to fighting something called a malice. I get the strong impression that malices affect an entire area, and also creates subordinate creatures. They also seem to be connected to the blight, a condition which makes a sizeable area to the west uninhabitable. Anyway, Dag’s one of them, and is apparently an old hand at fighting these things…I apologize for the ‘hand’ pun. See, Dag’s missing his left hand. Gee, I wonder what did that…
My immediate guess about the Lakewalkers being a matriarchal culture was correct.
Anyway, not a bad beginning. It starts off with a mundane kind of abnormal situation, and then it moves quite smoothly into setting up the supernatural. I especially liked how the Lakewalkers have a kind of life-sense (as found out from a bit that’s written in Dag’s point of view) which let them know when living things are around and, apparently, if there’s a malice affecting the area. As extra senses go, it’s unusual. Much cooler than boring old telepathy.
Chapter 2 Preliminary
I’m going to try to avoid this, as a rule, but I’m going to record an impression immediately after I read what caused it.
It starts off from Dag’s point of view. His partner catches him as he slips. Dag rebukes him. The partner, Saun, defensively mentions he’s heard Dag’s overprotective of any woman he’s partnered with—not romantic partner, but an assigned partner. For this reason, women aren’t assigned to be his partner; possibly he worries about them so much he puts himself—and by extension them, too—in danger. Given the insight into his mind last chapter, I’d say he’s protective of women in general. He probably lost a partner; possibly at the same time he lost his hand. He may have even been romantically involved with her. Saun’s apparently new at this. He’s nervous. Dag isn’t sure how Saun’ll do.
Bet you a dollar that Saun dies from his own mistake.
Chapter 2 main
…Well, Saun doesn’t die. He does, however, make a dumb mistake and gets a hammer right in the chest. The only thing that stops him from dying is Dag. Ah. This buddy system makes a lot of sense now.
Anyway, Dag arrives in the nick of time to prevent Fawn from being raped. Also, he was not too late. This seems to be important. Anyway, the guy about to rape Fawn gets shot, quite factually, in the ass, and then the monster—which seems to be a corrupted man—get away, Dag figures he can track it. Except, whoops, turns out Mr. Rapist is unschooled in anatomy any more sophisticated than where Slot A is and how Tab B fits into it; presumably, he also knows where to hit someone so they’ll die. He pulls out the arrow, tears an artery, and bleeds to death before Dag can come patch him up and take him prisoner.
Also, turns out that Fawn has a very strong life-force. This seems to be what triggered her getting captured, and it’s also how Dag recognized her.
I feel this will be important later on.
Chapter 3
Oh, bottomless joy! Stars and garters!
Remember how I said I liked Dag’s name? Turns out, the name is short and easy to shout by design.
“I have a tent name, a camp name, and a hinterland name, but Dag is easier to shout.” The smile glimmered by again. “Short is better in the field. Dag, duck! See? If it were any longer, it might be too late.”
First an author who knows something about fighting (the fight scenes earlier weren’t bad at all), and now, the Lakewalkers intentionally make their everyday names short and easy to shout as a survival aid? Hell yes.
Anyway, the plot thickens. Fawn’s pregnant, which is apparently the source of her man troubles. The father’s evidently a dullard. Dag says it’s a girl, and it happens to be why her life-force is so strong—so strong that it’s like a beacon to mud men.
Dag’s awesome. Fawn’s assessment of him is that he lives ‘inside his own head.’ And he totally he gives that impression. He says what he’s thinking at the moment, and can correct himself in mid-sentence as his brain catches up to his mouth. Dag’s speech patterns are also telegraphic, as if he cuts out excess words and goes right to what he wants to say, as he thinks it. My mental ear is imagining him having a pretty quick delivery when he’s speaking.
Anyway, at the end of the third chapter and this first part of a liveblog, Dag’s bone-tired and still out scouting because he’s got too much to do and Fawn’s about to be attacked by more mud-men.
On a more general level, I’m enjoying myself. The characters—the handful introduced so far—are pretty cool, and Dag surpasses cool and goes into awesome. The writing’s flowing pretty well, and doesn’t get in the way of what the author wants the reader to know.
Stay tuned for more of Scrin’s read-a-log, and feel free to make suggestions as to what he should read. I started with Bujold because it seems to me, from my romance-deep and fantasy-not-as-much reading history, that her writing would be one of the best bridges into RomanceLandia for a curious reader.
Another male curious about the romance? WIN!
Filed: Guest Bitch Reviews, Dudes Reading Romance, SF/F
Tagged: the sharing knife, scrinnameless, manga, lois mcmaster bujold, liveblog, history, fantasy, authors
Brianna said on 02.16.09 at 12:56 PM • [comment link]
Good read-a-long, and awesome series to start him on. Another good series (if she ever finishes the final book!) is Melanie Rawn’s ‘Exiles’ trilogy.
Kat said on 02.16.09 at 01:03 PM • [comment link]
I really need to try this book. Friends keep recommending it (but I always forget the name when I’m actually in a bookstore). One thing, though. Dag is not exactly a heroic name for Aussies.
I’d recommend Patricia McKillip. Anything other than Something Rich and Strange. Maybe the Riddlemaster of Hed. She’s really more fantasy with a dash of romance (and not always as HEA as one might hope) but her writing is very female-centric. Maybe CL Wilson’s Tairen Soul series from book 3 (the first two might just be too romancey).
As for sf, Grimspace by Ann Aguirre.
Rose said on 02.16.09 at 02:18 PM • [comment link]
Scrin’s doing a great job and a romance reading geologist is totally someone I want to meet. But where’s your other guest reviewer? Surely Patrick hasn’t given up on LoS?!
KatherineB said on 02.16.09 at 03:02 PM • [comment link]
If he wants more SF/Romance, I’d go for Grimspace. Had enough balance of the two.
Trying to think of romances in the vein of Terry Pratchett…tough! Rampant comedy and plays on words… the comedy isn’t what’s fitting in the Romance genre part. Maybe something will come to me if I look at my shelves…
Perhaps Julie Czenerda’s work? All except the Shifters series have elemts of SF and a touch of Romance. For geology thrown in the mix, I’d go for the Species Imperative Trilogy. The descriptions of the Chasm and the Dryn homeworld and how they evolved (I think it’s in book three) could work for him. Okay, hotter on the science and just a touch of romance, but she does a HEA with her guy at the end of the third book. And I’ve always found her heroines to be quirky and very humorous. Go, bookshelves!
Tae said on 02.16.09 at 03:52 PM • [comment link]
ah a man after my own heart
Eddings is one of my favorites ever and it has quite a few romances
Garion & X’nedra
Hettar & Adara
Tiaba & Relg
Pol & Durnick
Silk & the Queen of Drasnia
Mandorallen & his foster father’s wife (i’m just not remembering all the names here)
I just love the sweetness of all the romances in Eddings, my favorite was actually Vela and Beldin in the Malloreon series.
Anyways… I’d also suggest he read LMB’s Miles books and definitely the Chalion series. She’s the only fantasy author with the light humor that I find in Eddings with romantic elements and not so much pure romance.
Books that I found highly romantic that were fantasy also include:
Seven Waters Trilogy by Juliet Marillier
Kushiel series - Jacqueline Carey
Patricia Briggs - any of her older fantasy, but also her newer UF as well
Catherine Asaro - her SF Skolia series is all romance (every book has one couple pair up), prefer this to her fantasy books except the first Luna book she wrote which was very good
Anne McCaffrey has a lot of romance in her books especially the Ship/Brawn series (my favorite being The Ship who Searched and The Ship who Sang) or the Talent Series or the Freedom’s Landing series or the Killishandra series, and only some in the Pern set
ugh..I wish I could think of some more but I can’t at this time
JoanneL said on 02.16.09 at 03:53 PM • [comment link]
Dude! Dragon shifters!
Oh send him to G.A. Aiken (Shelly Laurenston) and her Dragon Kin series starting with DRAGON ACTUALLY. Fantasy battles and hilarious dialogue along with the requisite love & sexy fun!
HUnLTD said on 02.16.09 at 03:58 PM • [comment link]
Hey, Pterry’s Going Postal is a romance! With golems! And a protagonist (anti-hero, really) who finds love with a chain-smoking heroine, set against a background of civil service and businesses going Wall Street kablooie! Excitement! With five exclamation marks!!!!!
Err, anyway. I do think Pratchett’s writing has moved a long way from pun-filled slapstick parody to a less laugh-out-loud social commentary in quirky fantasy wrappings. What makes his writing funny nowadays isn’t what made the first Rincewind books a hoot: the Discworld, as fantastical as it is, is much closer to the real world now than it used to be, and the humour comes from people behaving like, well, people, not only from reused fantasy tropes. (Although these, too, play a part.)
And I think our the geo romance virgin should read Diana Wynne Jones’s Deep Secret. OK, I think everyone with an appreciation for fantasy should read it.
Cat Marsters said on 02.16.09 at 04:41 PM • [comment link]
HUnLTD wrote:
Yes, indeedy, and I just lent it to a male friend, and he is enjoying it! And incidentally, Sky1 are apparently making a TV movie of it (they did Hogfather, which was great, and The Colour of Magic, which was less good).
My recommendation for Scrin is Linnea Sinclair for sci-fi romance. And although I’ve only read one book of Sara Douglass‘s (Threshold) I’m on the lookout for more, since her fantasy world was so minutely and vividly imagined.
I have a few sci-fi and fantasy titles in my backlist, and they’re definitely full of snark, but they’re also firmly in the erotic camp, and I don’t know if that’s what Scrin’s looking for…?
Joy said on 02.16.09 at 05:12 PM • [comment link]
I think he may like Shana Abe’s Dragon Series: The Smoke Thief, The Dream Thief, Queen of Dragons.
It’s heavy in fantasy - and gemstones.
Joanna Waugh said on 02.16.09 at 05:41 PM • [comment link]
(chuckling about Scrin’s critique of the map)
We Regency authors are subjected all the time to that level of scrutiny by our readers.
Silver James said on 02.16.09 at 06:05 PM • [comment link]
I’d have to recommend Jayne Castle’s Ghosthunter series. And the first book in a new series by Maureen Child, BEDEVILED. Faeries, imps, and lots of lol.
P.N. Elrod said on 02.16.09 at 06:22 PM • [comment link]
I’m a shameless Bujold fangirl, and haven’t yet started Sharing Knife, so I will retire from this blog for the time being to avoid spoilers.
For my own part I would really hate to have anyone do a chapter by chapter blog of any of my works, simply because of the spoiler issue. Lois is one of the really great writers, always taking a new path, and I prefer to let her guide me along, not another reader.
That said, this fellow needs to get himself hooked on her Hugo-winning Miles Vorkosigan series. I read those over and over again and still do!
Cathy said on 02.16.09 at 06:46 PM • [comment link]
I’d like to second Brianna’s Melanie Rawn rec, but instead suggest Rawn’s Dragon Prince/Dragon Star trilogies (6 books total). There are some romance elements, but they’re secondary to the political plotlines.
The Exiles books are excellent, but as Brianna mentioned, the third book isn’t written yet.
Sandy D. said on 02.16.09 at 06:48 PM • [comment link]
Love the map critique.
And while it’s not exactly romance, I recommend Neil Gaiman and Robin McKinley’s books to anyone who loves Bujold. And maybe Sharon Lee & Steve Miller.
Jill Sorenson said on 02.16.09 at 07:01 PM • [comment link]
I second Ann Aguirre for sci fi romance and Shana Abe for fantasy. Two great authors.
Kit said on 02.16.09 at 07:08 PM • [comment link]
SO TRUE about Deep Secret by Diana Wynne Jones. It is made of awesome, and part of it takes place at a sci-fi writers’ convention, with hilarious results.
Amie said on 02.16.09 at 07:24 PM • [comment link]
This is absolutely nothing against Scrin, and I think it’s great to get more guys into romance. But in the past couple of months, there’s been a lot of “Oh, wow, look, a boy! Let’s drop everything to see what a BOY thinks!” going on at SBTB, and it’s kind of off-putting. It’s like their opinions/wishes are seen as more valuable, somehow, when I sort of thought the whole purpose of this place was the showcasing of smart, tough, funny women talking about romance.
I’m absolutely not anti-guy. But SBTB decries the way romance gets diminished/underestimated because it’s for and about women. So why play into that by acting like every single guy discovering romance is Christopher Columbus and our new hero? I don’t come here to read what male newbies think about romance.
NancyB said on 02.16.09 at 07:46 PM • [comment link]
Note to Scrin on the map: the geographic model (though not an exact source) is the western side of the Appalachians, the Cumberland Plateau (and the fact that it’s limestone country becomes extremely important in book 4….), and the Ohio River area. Dead Lake might be an analog of one of the Great Lakes, but as best I can recall it’s not called “dead” dbecause of anything to do with lake processes. More things to do with this world’s history…
/signed/ another geologist, and major Bujold fan
John C. Bunnell said on 02.16.09 at 07:59 PM • [comment link]
A suggestion I’m surprised not to have seen yet:
Sharon Shinn’s novels, particularly her Samaria and Twelve Houses series. (I like some of these better than others, and have significant issues with some of her books, but she is absolutely a good introduction to crossover fantasy/romance.)
A suggestion that may be off many romance readers’ radar:
Sherwood Smith’s Inda and its sequels (from DAW). Strictly speaking, the romance quotient in these is actually rather low compared to Shinn or Bujold or early Kate Elliott (look up Jaran and its sequels), but an Eddings/Salvatore fan should find the sheer density and scope of these appealing, and the character work is just gorgeous. (Some readers may find the first book slow going, just because it is as densely written as it is. It’s worth it; the second book, The Fox, shifts gears and becomes a rousing pirate swashbuckler without losing the density and characterization.)
I had another thought as well, but morning-brain has driven it clean out of my head. If I remember, I’ll be back to post that one as well.
Scrin said on 02.16.09 at 08:04 PM • [comment link]
Wow. I never dreamed I’d have this kind of reaction.
I apologize for any spoilers. I tried to keep them to a minimum, but at the beginning I was getting a foundation for the rest of the book, so I just wrote down what I was noting. As I went on, I ran into more stuff that I actually reacted to and could therefore have more commentary about and less spoilers.
And, Amie, you have a point. I’d much rather be considered a reader who’s recording his impression of a romance than a boy doing the same.
BadgerChaser said on 02.16.09 at 08:13 PM • [comment link]
My husband loves Lois McMaster Bujold—she was his bridge from fantasy to romance. He’s already a sap at heart; his favorite movie is Pride and Prejudice and his favorite holiday is Valentine’s Day.
However, my husband refuses to read romance novels himself. Instead, he wants me to read them to him. So far, we’ve read Mr. Impossible by Loretta Chase together, and he LOVED IT. He was laughing out loud and squealing with delight when the characters finally got together.
Now we’re working on Lord of Scoundrels, which he likes just as much so far. We’re halfway through, and I’m not sure how he’ll feel about the plot twists.
So, perhaps try Mr. Impossible next?
Foxfire said on 02.16.09 at 08:32 PM • [comment link]
I didn’t read this as “Oh boy, a BOY!”, I read it more as “Oh boy, a newbie!” With the same sort of glee that I would personally exhibit upon having a romance fan come to me and go “OK, so what’s all this science fiction stuff about then, and where should I start?” (Steve Miller and Sharon Lee, most likely…she said, totally digressing.) There’s just something entertaining about a virgin experience. So to speak.
Wryhag said on 02.16.09 at 08:47 PM • [comment link]
And then there’s that paranormal romance featuring a shape-shifting trilobite fossil that turns into a hot hunka-hunka with WAY more than a six-pack whenever the full moon shines on the western shore of Lake Michigan.
Now, who was that author again?
Brittany said on 02.16.09 at 08:49 PM • [comment link]
My favorite fantasy romance, so far, is the Tairen Soul series by C. L. Wilson. I just haven’t found many fantasy romances that are as good as that.
M E 2 said on 02.16.09 at 09:03 PM • [comment link]
As for about myself… I’m a 22-year-old college student in Mobile, Alabama, pursuing a degree in geology. I play video games. I read, naturally, all over science fiction and fantasy, along with odds and ends here and there. I have a thing for snarky dialogue and commentary (which is how I found SBTB in the first place).
So,O Masters of Romance, teach me! yes,
Ummmmmmmmmmmm, for the most part, wouldn’t we qualify as Mistresses NOT Masters ???
ev said on 02.16.09 at 09:12 PM • [comment link]
Because it is so often that men make fun of women who read romance and equate it with weakness instead of the strength that we know we have? IMHO, anyway. I love knowing when a guy has picked up something aimed at women and is man enough to not only admit it, but enjoy it!
Oh definately! I am thinking of finding them in audio for my upcoming trip.
One of my faves is Elizabeth Moon’s Paksennarrion Series.
And Weber’s Honor Harrington Series. And Lackey and McCaffrey without a doubt. And, yes, PN Elrod and Marta Acosta’s stuff. Those have all the elements in them and are just good reads.
ev said on 02.16.09 at 09:13 PM • [comment link]
To get out of the sci-fi and into some action/adventure where they is always running story lines involving romance go read anything by WEB Griffin. I suggest the Brotherhood of War series first, The Lieutenants. Hubby and I have them in HC, pb and ereader versions so we can always read him.
Avid fans will be happy to point out to the casual reader how every series, in one way or another, links to the others. It’s fun to find the people, stories or history in them and link it to another one.
JBHunt said on 02.16.09 at 09:16 PM • [comment link]
I echo an earlier recommendation for Jacqueline Carey’s Kushiel series—a radical take on romance, and a compelling one.
I also love Gail Dayton’s Compass Rose trilogy—again, not your usual 1 + 1 = 2 romantic equation. Polyamory, anyone?
John C. Bunnell said on 02.16.09 at 09:36 PM • [comment link]
I’m so not going anywhere near the “Mistresses vs. Masters” line….
That said, I’ll second the Elizabeth Moon recommendation, and add that both her “Familias Regnant” series (Baen) and “Vatta’s War” space-opera series (Del Rey) are well worth seeking out, though only the latter half of the Familias series is strongly romantic in content.
Additional recommendations might include Jennifer Roberson’s Cheysuli and Sword Dancer series (both DAW) and the works of Patricia Wrede (mostly from Tor). Not all of Wrede’s early Lyra novels are romantic in character, but the duet beginning with Mairelon the Magician and her epistolary series (co-written with Caroline Stevermer) beginning with Sorcery and Cecilia are both excellent faux-Regency-with-magic.
Though none of these are the rec that went poof earlier….
Gemma said on 02.16.09 at 10:08 PM • [comment link]
This is fun. I have also noticed that we haven’t heard much about Lord of Scoundrels recently. Perhaps we should pick something that’s easier to snark about next time?!
I loved the critiquing of the map. I’m one of those “OMG a map, you don’t expect me to *look* at that do you?” readers.
I don’t read all that much fantasy romance, so I won’t be much help for suggestions. [I have enjoyed a fair bit of fantasy m/m romance/erotica, but m/m may not be what Scrin would be interested in reading.]
I third the suggestion for Steve Miller/Sharon Lee. I wish they had already written about 10 times as many novels because I want to gobble them up, then reread them at leisure—wonderful fantasy and romance. As someone else said, Linnea Sinclair also writes great SF romance.
Suze said on 02.16.09 at 10:20 PM • [comment link]
Most of what I would have suggested as good reads have already been covered, but I kind of suspect a fantasy fan would have already run into the authors whose work, while romantic, is marketed as fantasy. So my fantasy/sci-fi ROMANCE suggestions would be (I’m kind of lumping Paranormals in there):
- Linnea Sinclair
- Carolyn Jewell
- Eve Kenin
- Patti O’Shea
- Eileen Wilks
- The Crimson City series (except I haven’t read the first or last books, just the middle ones)
- C.E. Murphy’s Urban Shaman series
- Elizabeth Vaughn’s Warprize and Dagger Star
- Annette Curtis Klause’s Blood and Chocolate
Damn my brain. I’m stumped now.
Good gravy, YES! I borrowed the audiobook of Paladin of the Soul for my last trip to the big city, which is about 5 hours one-way. I was ALMOST reluctant for the trip to end, I was so engrossed in the story. Bujold’s stories are almost flawless.
Suze said on 02.16.09 at 10:29 PM • [comment link]
I think it’s fun and exciting to turn new people on to the goodness that is Romance. Between SBiT Patrick, and now Scrinnameless, there are now two less people in the world dissing romance, having never read any.
If we can convert an anti-romance woman, that would be fun to watch as well. I’d enjoy seeing a former literature snob gushing about how wonderful romances are, rather than seeing her guiltily admit to partaking of them as if they’re something to be ashamed of.
him39 I dunno if we’ll get that many…
Between these two fellows and the recent positive press for Romance, I’m pretty happy. We’re taking over the world. The WORLD, I tell you!
Victoria said on 02.16.09 at 11:13 PM • [comment link]
SFR!!!!!
I love Alan Dean Foster for sci-fi
my favorite science fiction romance authors are:
Linnea Sinclair
Catherine Asaro
Susan Grant
i know they’ve been said, but they really do rock
billy said on 02.17.09 at 12:30 AM • [comment link]
There’s always the Sword of Truth series (Terry Goodkind)
This is great suspenseful fantasy/romance - if you don’t mind a little (a lot) of sermonizing mixed in.
Careful though, it can get a bit gruesome.
Dragoness Eclectic said on 02.17.09 at 12:44 AM • [comment link]
I’ve always ignored Bujold’s stuff because I’d never read it (and thus didn’t know if I’d like it) and the only things currently available were deep in the middle of one series or another, but… this commentary has gotten me quite interested in reading some of her stuff. Where does one start with her various series?
Anyone else a fan of a certain author’s male-oriented, pulp action/adventure & fantasy romance novels? I’m referring to Edgar Rice Burroughs, of course. As far as I can tell, every single thing he wrote was a romance.
Suze said on 02.17.09 at 12:54 AM • [comment link]
Yes, and Louis L’Amour and Zane Grey wrote Western-themed romances.
GrowlyCub said on 02.17.09 at 12:55 AM • [comment link]
D E, for this series (written as a romance in a fantasy setting), start with Beguilement and get Legacy right away, too, because they contain one long story arc. Then come Passage and Horizon.
For the Miles (SF) books start with ‘Cordelia’s Honor’ which contains the first two book that cover Miles’ parents and give a good intro into the world.
For the 5 Gods start with ‘The Curse of Chalion’ (Fantasy).
SonomaLass said on 02.17.09 at 01:54 AM • [comment link]
I loved The Curse of Chalion and its sequels. My favorite Bujold, I have to say. I agree with many of the recommendations above, especially Jacqueline Carey. I’m not sure I’d recommend the unfinished Melanie Rawn series, though; why add to the number of frustrated readers?
If I ever find a romance writer who I think is at all similar to Sir Terry, I will shout it to the heavens!!
Tambra Kendall said on 02.17.09 at 02:17 AM • [comment link]
Hi,
I’d recommend Angela Knight’s Jane’s Warlord, Warrior and well anything by her.
Sherrilyn Kenyon’s Dark-Hunter series
Deidre Knight’s Midnight Warrior series (some know this as her Parallel series) and her Gods of Midnight series, which just started.
I hope you post again and let us know what you think of our suggestions. At least this bitch is interested.
Best,
Tambra
Tae said on 02.17.09 at 02:44 AM • [comment link]
*slaps self*
John> I can’t believe I forgot Sharon Shinn too. I love her angel series and I’m also enjoying the 13 houses series as well. They’re all romances too. Definitely should be read.
I also second the recommendation for the Sharon Lee/Steve Miller Liaden books which are also all romances. Try to read them in order. I read them out of order and ended up reading the romance about the couple who died before they died, but the book was written after you find out they’re already dead and it was actually a prequel.
Melissandre said on 02.17.09 at 02:50 AM • [comment link]
I love both of these genres! Let me throw my hat into the ring.
Mercedes Lackey - her latest stuff is iffy, but start with Arrows of the Queen
Jacqueline Carey - Kushiel’s Dart and it’s sequels
Jennifer Roberson - Lady of the Forest and the Sword Dancer series
P.C Cast - anything by P.C is gold
Anne Bishop - everything is good, but start with The Dark Jewels trilogy
Most of these are more fantasy than romance (except for Cast), but all of them have some great romantic elements. I would also recommend Luna Books, which is an imprint of Harlequinn. Everything I’ve read by Luna has been a true mix of fantasy and romance, not just romances posing as fantasy.
Elizabeth Wadsworth said on 02.17.09 at 03:09 AM • [comment link]
I’d recommend Jim Butcher’s Dresden Files, PN Elrod’s Vampire Files, and Sherrilyn Kenyon’s Dark-Hunter series (all laced with humor, romance, and a lot of fun.)
I’m so happy to hear this, as Going Postal is one of my favorites of the Discworld series. Any word on who will be playing the protagonist? I’d recommend Simon Pegg or David Tennant myself.
Elizabeth Wadsworth said on 02.17.09 at 03:50 AM • [comment link]
For pulp fans, I recommend (if you can find them) Robert Leslie Bellem’s Dan Turner, Hollywood Detective stories. They’re laugh-out-loud hilarious hard boiled private eye spoofs from the Thirties and Forties. Turner uses ever slang term known to humankind, drinks enough Scotch to float a barge (Vat 69, get it? ha, ha) and gets laid more often than James Bond. They’re not really romances, though, and not great literature by any means, just silly fun.
Sam bangs and moonshine said on 02.17.09 at 04:26 AM • [comment link]
While I adore The Deed of Paksenarrion by Elizabeth Moon and it’s totally female centric, it’s not a romance. Paks is celebate and wholy uninterested in either sex.
Absolutly fab fighting and militia scenes, though.
I’d suggest Robin Mckinley’s Sunshine myself.
Sam bangs and moonshine said on 02.17.09 at 04:27 AM • [comment link]
me needs the spel ck lik dam
Joy said on 02.17.09 at 04:36 AM • [comment link]
I have Robin McKinley’s Sunshine on my keeper shelf and can’t remember why. I guess I need to reread it
Lynn Reynolds said on 02.17.09 at 04:38 AM • [comment link]
My great love of SF/Fantasy predates my discovery of romance novels by a couple of decades, so I’m thrilled to hear of a fellow Sci-Fi geek who’s discovered the joys of romance. Right off the top of my head, I thought of Linnea Sinclair, as did many others here. But I also really, really like Susan Grant, who pens a mean space opera and can definitely bring the witty/snarky dialogue. In more of a fantasy vein, I think Scrin would enjoy the alternate universes depicted in Sarah Hoyt’s Heart and Soul series (a Victorian British empire with dragons and were-tigers) and the Promethean Age books by Elizabeth Bear.
J said on 02.17.09 at 05:28 AM • [comment link]
Connie Willis hasn’t been mentioned yet. If you can find a copy of Promised Land, by Connie Willis and Cynthia Felice, it’s a straight-up science fiction “colonizing the new planet” story combined with a classic “marriage of convenience” plot. Since those are two of my favorite plot devices ever in two of my favorite genres, I love the book. (since it’s out of print, maybe others don’t. It’s a bit of a hack, but I thought it was fun!)
Not out of print, Connie Willis’s “To Say Nothing of the Dog” is slightly science-fiction (time travelers from the future visit Victorian England in the past to try to change the future), but it’s also a romance and a comedy of errors. One of my favorite books in either genre.
As I think about it, so many of the SF books I’ve enjoyed have strong romance themes. John Scalzi’s Old Man’s War, to think of a recent, hard-SF example that my husband loved, is basically a really complicated love story! With battles and warriors and transferred personalities and computers and all that. :-)
nystacey said on 02.17.09 at 06:12 AM • [comment link]
Definitely a Linnea Sinclair for the SFR :D No question there. Ann Aguirre, Susan Grant are also good SFR reads.
Maybe a Lisa Shearin for the fun of a Terry Pratchett (and some of Isabo Kelly’s books, like Thief’s Desire to go along with…).
Aah yes. Sharon Lee and Steve Miller. Local custom is my favorite :) And Sharon Shinn is fabulous too. Top choice there is a toss up between ‘Alleluia Files’ and Angelica(for it’s subplot…).
For the Trigun *thinks really hard*. I need to think a bit more on that one. You need the right balance for that sort of recommendation.
But I’ll think about it :)
Rosa said on 02.17.09 at 07:01 AM • [comment link]
J! Thank you! I can’t believe I forgot Connie Willis when I was trying to think of suggestions.
I love her book Passages, too.
And I’m another SF & romance fan who’s happy to see people who like both. I get so much attitude from SF people about what I read, it’s insane.
BlueRose said on 02.17.09 at 10:56 AM • [comment link]
For those asking where to start with the two other Bujold series - here you go:
The Vorkosigan books start with Shards of Honour and Barrayar (available together as Coredelias Honour) and they are about Aral and Cordelia getting together.
The Miles books start with Warriors Apprentice. You could start with any of them up to about Mirror Game - once you get past that the subsequent stories draw heavily upon the previous books and you might get a little lost.
http://www.dendarii.co.uk/FanFic/timeline.html - will give you a timeline of the story and where the books fit in
An option to start with might be Cetaganda which is a Miles book but its a bit of a standalone.
There are also the 5 Gods series - Curse of Chalion, Paladin of Souls and Hallowed Hunt - the first two are paired and HH is completely separate
BlueRose said on 02.17.09 at 11:05 AM • [comment link]
Scrin I wish I was you, and having so many wonderful writers and authors to look forward to :) I have quite similar reading tastes to you so heres hoping these are something you will like (may have already been mentioned)
Any and all of the Liaden Series - but start with Agent of Change if you can find by Lee and Miller
Black Jewels Trilogy by Anne Bishop
Flesh & Spirit / Breath&Bone; by Carol Berg (lots of cartography in this)
Heroes Die by Matthew Woodring Stover (a stonkingly good action book)
All the Vorkosigan books also by Bujold
Inda and sequels by Sherwood Smith
Jim Butcher has two different but both excellent series - Harry Dresden books about a modern day wizard with a smart mouth and a bad attitude and the Alera series which starts with Furies of Calderon - lots of different magic and action and a bit of romance and interesting politics (which normally I dislike)
House of Cards series by CE Murphy - gargoyles made out of different rock
Reality Helix said on 02.17.09 at 12:12 PM • [comment link]
I too, have just picked up this book. I read the first few pages and had to resist an urge to swallow it whole just so I could GET THAT GOODNESS IN ME FASTER. I am having a blast of a time, though I am a bit further ahead than our friend here. I must say, my thoughts are very much in line with his own.
Anna said on 02.17.09 at 06:14 PM • [comment link]
Is Scrin looking to meet interesting single women? Daughter is a 22 year old geologist, beautiful, brilliant (geologists are exceptionally bright, and she is no exception to the rule), loves field work in cell phone dead zones (Andes, remote areas of the Missouri River, Boundary Waters), jeans and hiking boots and adventure.
A guy geologist who is open to reading romances . . . wow . . . he’s definitely special, and possible mate material for my daughter . . .
Barbara said on 02.17.09 at 06:49 PM • [comment link]
I’d also recommend R. McKinley’s Damia books:
The Blue Sword
The Hero & the Crown
both have heavy romantic elements in with the adventure/fantasy….
Scrin said on 02.17.09 at 07:03 PM • [comment link]
Reality Helix
I’m further along than this would indicate. There’s a delay between me sending it in and it getting put up, you know?
Mfred said on 02.17.09 at 07:18 PM • [comment link]
Its marketed as YA Fantasy, but Graceling has a great romance at its heart.
Katsa, our heroine, has a special gift—known as a “grace”—and its for KILLING PEOPLE. She’s an assassin, sent out to kill and maim on the whims of her thug-uncle, the King. She’s the toughest thing around—until she meets a graced fighter, Po, someone who can stand up to her own grace and give her a run for her money. Then there is adventure and romance, and killing, and fighting, and secrets, and did I say this already, roooomaaanceee. Swoon.
I really liked the romance. I also really liked the fact that the heroine is a dark character, not pure or innocent, and in fact does things that are considered morally reprehensible. The author doesn’t pull those punches, but lets the story work itself out.
Liz L said on 02.17.09 at 07:24 PM • [comment link]
Huzzah for The Deed of Paksenarrion. Truly epic, and a female lead that just keeps on truckin’.
I’ll also second (strongly!) the Liaden books by Lee and Miller. Scrin seems to dig the excellently written character, and Lee and Miller are one of the few who (imo) write characters equal to Bujold’s.
Finally, I’ll hop on the Asaro rec as well. How about Quantum Rose for wonderful world-building and the ‘quantum mechanics as a metaphor for the love triangle’ essay at the end of the book?
Yvette Davis said on 02.17.09 at 08:16 PM • [comment link]
The Accidental Goddess by Linnea Sinclair is a good read. It mostly takes place on a space station and it’s populated with other-wordly beings aplenty.
Marie said on 02.17.09 at 11:38 PM • [comment link]
Hmm, based on his SF picks, I would say he like Teh Funny (as well as Teh Epic).
For funny, I would definitely second Linnea Sinclair and Connie Willis… and I assume if he’s a Pratchett fanboy he’s gone through Gaiman, but if not then Neverwhere and Good Omens are musts. Christopher Stasheff’s Warlock series is also good fantasy/SF/romatic fun… but stick to the earlier books.
For epic, gritty SF… maybe F.M. Busby’s Rissa and Tregare books? That’s quite the romance. For epic fantasy, anything by Guy Gavriel Kay is AMAZING and will have romance—I would start with Ysabel, which is one of his more accessible books. I feel like I have to mention Robert Jordan, even though a lot of people hate his male/female dynamics and also most everyone’s read him already anyway. But he did the epic thing similarly to Eddings (and IMHO a bit better).
The assorted recs here have hit most of my favorites (Carey, McKinley, McKillip, Wrede, Czerneda, Shinn, Bishop…sigh) but I will add a few that I don’t think have been mentioned and then cut myself off:
CJ Cherryh… the ultimate in gritty SF world-building, but she usually throws in some romance. Merchanter’s Luck is probably my favorite of hers for an SF romance and it’s as good a point as any to start exploring the Cherryh universe.
Andre Norton—might be a little old school in some of the older stories, and a little tedious in some of the newer (much like M. Lackey or A. McCaffery) BUT, I would think he would like the Simon-Jaelithe Witchworld books (can’t remember the actual titles, but they’ve recently been re-released in one volume… a bit grittier and “manlier” than a lot of her work) and Knave of Dreams and Forerunner might also be SF winners.
My all time favorites also deserve a mention too—M.K. Wren’s Phoenix trilogy, quite possibly the best S.F. romance saga ever… EPIC. Really, you all must read this. Just skip the econ and stats sections if you must. =P Plus Cheryl J. Franklin’s Taormin books... they have math! And really cool science! And wizards (sort of!)... and of course the most heartbreaking, delicately written romances ever. SOOOOO good. And finally, Emma Bull’s Falcon (and anything else by her really, but Falcon is the best)...SF on a grand scale, and amazing protagonist, and a truly heart-wrenching romance. Ooooh how I love that book.
Seemed39? It seems like there are way more than 39 books I could rec here, but I will restrain myself. I love book recs—bring on the newbies, boy or girls or anything in between, I welcome you all!
Barbara said on 02.18.09 at 12:00 AM • [comment link]
Marie, you reminded me of someone we’ve all overlooked:
Judith Tarr
She writes AWESOME historical fantasy, with a heavy dose of romance, and solid characterization. I especially recommend:
King and Goddess (Pharoh-Queen Hatshepsut of Egypt)
The Eagle’s Daughter (Theodosia of Byzantium among the Goths)
a series of books about Richard the Lion-hearted, another on Alexander the Great….
as well as her version of the Crusades (The Hound and the Falcon trilogy):
The Isle of Glass
The Golden Horn
The Hounds of God
Good stuff!
CarolP said on 02.18.09 at 12:29 AM • [comment link]
I’d have to echo the Lackey and McCaffrey.
But in the realm of quick-witted narrative with a snarky edge in the paranormal fantasy-romance category, I’d very much recommend MaryJanice Davidson’s Betsy the Vampire series, and Charlaine Harris’ Sookie Stackhouse series.
BlueRose said on 02.18.09 at 12:39 AM • [comment link]
Marie said:
My all time favorites also deserve a mention too—M.K. Wren’s Phoenix trilogy, quite possibly the best S.F. romance saga ever… EPIC. Really, you all must read this
OMGPONIES!!! YES how could I forget this series - it is awesome. It is also extremely hard to find. So hard to find, I have collected two lots of the trilogy over the years just to make sure :)
ev said on 02.18.09 at 03:28 PM • [comment link]
What about Katie Macalister’s Aisling Gray series-or any of her books- dragons, snark, romance? It’s all there.
Bonnie C said on 02.18.09 at 08:25 PM • [comment link]
LOL! I came here to suggest he look up Melanie Rawn - and lo and behold the very first comment also hails MR. :)
However, I would suggest The Dragon Prince. Especially for a guy. The Exiles series might be a little too chick-centric, and as mentioned above MR hasn’t bothered to finish it in like 10 odd years or something.
Dragon Prince is like Dynasty with dragons. Definitely one of my favs in the romance/sci fi crossovers.
Gary Jordan said on 02.18.09 at 11:34 PM • [comment link]
I’m male. I started reading romance in the 70s (because I’d read all of the SF, Fantasy, Mystery and Westerns in what we laughably called the ship’s library). Back then, they were Harlequin Romances, the kind where the nurse/teacher/babysitter is offered a position/contract/fake marriage because the widower/divorcee has one or more children that need care. Despite the conditions calling for them to part ways after a set time, each secretly falls in love with the other, but doesn’t mention it until the Big Denoument. Ring any bells?
Then I read Bujold, at a friend’s insistance. Liked it, and Cordelia’s Honor is romantic, but Mile In Love is more so. (Miles in Love contains two novels and a novella - Komarr, A Civil Campaign, and Winterfair Gifts.) All the Vorkosigan stories in between are not romances, but contain romantic elements.
Hanging out at Bujold’s Mile to Go conference on Baen’s Bar (a webforum), I’ve been exposed to threads asking for and sharing recommendations for romance authors and books. As a result, I have the complete works of Jennifer Crusie and Susan Elizabeth Phillips, and a small smattering of Nora Roberts.
Last comment(s) re: Bujold’s The Sharing Knife. Volume 1 - Beguilement and Volume 2 - Legacy are halves of a single book that grew too long. They really should be glued front cover to back cover and read together. I picked up the fourth volume last month, hot off the presses, and IMHO this series may be the best Bujold yet.
Gary
ev said on 02.19.09 at 12:28 AM • [comment link]
Welcome Gary!! I love it what a guy fesses up to reading romance of any kind.
Cruise ship library?
Katherine C. said on 02.19.09 at 06:38 AM • [comment link]
Okay, I’m late to the party, but I whole-heartedly second the Abe, Wynne Jones and Butcher recommendations, as well as Briggs (I LOVE her stuff, old and new), Aiken, MacAlister and Vaughn.
I would also add Maria V. Snyder’s Poison Study, Magic Study and Fire Study to the list—a mix of action, political intrigue, fantasy and romance
Gary Jordan said on 02.19.09 at 09:35 AM • [comment link]
USS Benjamin Franklin, SSBN640(G), a fleet ballistic missile nuclear submarine (please try to picture Sean Connery saying that, instead of me.)
Besides the Crusie, Phillips and Roberts, (looks at bookshelf) I have several anthologies - Seduction by Chocolate, For the Love of Chocolate, Hot Chocolate, Chocolate Kisses... you might detect a recurrent theme there. I became a Diane Mott Davidson fan after reading Dying for Chocolate (a mystery).
If coerced, I’ll even confess to writing stories with chocolate and romance in them, posted on the web.
Trix said on 02.19.09 at 02:50 PM • [comment link]
Yay Bujold! I thorougly recommend the Chalion books too (in fact, more), and also the more romancy Vorkosigan books - Shards of Honor/Barrayar and Komarr/A Civil Campaign. But honestly, if you’ve started off with SoH/Barrayar, you might as well read the whole lot. Honestly. You really really should.
< /pimping>
Another seconding for Connie Willis, particularly To Say Nothing of the Dog. And the Kushiel books, although it took me two goes to get past Phedre’s seemingly all-too-perfect presentation initially (I ended up loving the character). Catherine Asaro also writes extremely romance-orientated SF, which are good reads, although a little too overblown for me at times.
Personally, Eddings’ sexual politics make me want to puke, so I can’t offer any other ideas in that vein. And McCaffrey is also problematic, since I’m no longer 16, and I wasn’t an adult in the 1960s (her heart is in the right place with her strong heroines (leaving aside their propensity to fall apart at *strange* times), but, again, the sexual politics seem very retrograde now). Obviously, other people’s mileage varies.
ev said on 02.19.09 at 03:50 PM • [comment link]
the fact that there were no women on the sub and that there were romance novels in the ship’s library, makes me suspect that they were/are a lot of romance reading seaman. (ok, yes, i could have said squids, but on this blog?)
Why haven’t we pointed him to the JD Robb books if he has read La Nora???
Gary Jordan said on 02.20.09 at 07:19 AM • [comment link]
First, it is Not My Fault that there are no women on submarines - that’s all Uncle Sam’s doing. In the novel I’m currently attempting to write, there are plenty of women on board subs. Of course, it’s a Confederate States Navy submarine…
Anyway, there were only three (3) romances in that ship’s library, and I read them all and believed I had the formula for romance novels memorized forever.
My personal jury is still out on La Nora, in whatever of her Noms de Plume she writes. I grab a title off the store shelf, enjoy it but mildly, then comment to her fan club. They reply that I’ve gotton one of her old reprints, written to a formula, yaddda yadda… five times so far. She’s no Jennifer Crusie. :)
Eric Selinger said on 02.20.09 at 06:35 PM • [comment link]
Loving this conversation, and taking notes!
As a Man Who Reads Romance (MWRR), and who started out with SF/F, I’d have to second a lot of the recommendations here. Andre Norton’s “Witch World” and “Web of the Witch World” meant the world (which world?) to me as a boy, although re-reading them now the ratio of romance to fantasy is different from what I remembered. (More world-building, with the romance less central, I guess.) The original Kushiel trilogy (Dart, Chosen, Avatar) blew me away, especially the third one, which is one of the most moving, haunting books I’ve read in any genre, ever. (Could I teach it all by itself, do you think? Anyone read that one first?)
Whenever you’re ready to leap into non-SF/F romance, Scrin, take Gary’s advice: Crusie, Crusie, Crusie. Great writing, great heroines, the works. Me, I’m heading to the library tonight to pick up some Bujold!
ev said on 02.21.09 at 04:07 AM • [comment link]
It’s funny how much more i enjoy the JD Robb than La Nora’s regular stuff, but am now working my way through the back list on my ereader thanks to the Brotherhood of the 7 trio. Go figure, right?
And can you just imagine women with PMS no board a sub, for weeks on end underwater, and running out of chocolate. MWWAAAHHHHHHH! God help the enemy!
spamword- results28. Every 28 days would be the same results, cause for some reason they all end up on the same schedule.
ev said on 02.21.09 at 04:10 AM • [comment link]
I picked them up originally, and scoured for used copies before she died, because they were set in my area.
It’s funny though, I have never really enjoyed the Cruise books. I don’t know why. Maybe I will give them another try at some point.
Go figure.
Gary Jordan said on 02.21.09 at 04:52 PM • [comment link]
Suze said on 02.23.09 at 04:05 AM • [comment link]
Another good book with romance is Tinker by Wen Spencer, followed by its sequel Wolf Who Rules. A young girl genius discovers love and sex. Mmmm.
In fact, anything by Wen Spencer has been delicious.
Jenna Black’s Demon series is enjoyable, too.
John C. Bunnell said on 02.23.09 at 07:36 AM • [comment link]
I’ll second the Judith Tarr recommendation, with two additional notes:
My all-time favorite Tarr title is a stand-alone that’s probably very hard to find now: A Wind in Cairo, a really lovely Arabian Nights-mode fantasy/romance in which the hero spends a great deal of the story transformed into a stallion (yes, this could go off the rails really easily, but Tarr knows horses so well that she makes it work).
And Tarr fans should be aware that she’s presently publishing a new romantic-fantasy trilogy under the name Kathleen Bryan, beginning with The Serpent and the Rose (the third book is due out next month).
BlueRose said on 02.23.09 at 08:20 AM • [comment link]
A Wind in Cairo is the most fantastic story, and Tarr does horses excellently. I have at least two copies of that book once I found out how rare it is :)
She also does an excellent Luna series under the name of Caitlin Brennan - The Mountains Call is the first one, and all the romance and horses you could want if thats your thing :) Tarr breeds Lippizaners and they star in this series.
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/b/caitlin-brennan/mountains-call.htm
Re Wen Spencer - yes the Tinker series is good (third one is Endless Blue that I havent read yet), however I throw into the ring A Brothers Price, which is a turn of the century romance in a world where one boy is born for every 25 women, and so men are rare and prized and protected and married in group marriages, and this is a delightful societal role reversal story .
Her Ukiah Oregon series are also excellent, about a boy raised by wolves (who finds out he is not entirely human) and has to learn social behavoiur, and finds meeting the right woman along the way a bit of a challeng :)
Alex said on 03.18.09 at 10:39 AM • [comment link]
Gary Jordan? As in the “chocolate” stories on ASSTR? Fancy meeting you here.
——-Alex/Jacques LeBlanc
Gary Jordan said on 03.18.09 at 03:22 PM • [comment link]
Yes, it is I. And you. We must be two sensitive, caring guys, yes? Or we wouldn’t be here. :)
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