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50 Days of 50 Shades
by SB Sarah | by SB Sarah | March 13, 2012 | Tuesday at 4:00 am | 82 Comments
The 50 Shades of Grey media blitz continues! From The Today Show to the AP to HuffPo and now Good Morning America. I did an interview for GMA that will air this morning. The segment focuses on how word of mouth and reader recommendation - as well as digital availability, I should think - made 50 Shades a bestseller, without any advertising and promotion from the publisher. Word of mouth was everything, online and off.
I am still baffled as to why more media reports aren't mentioning the fanfic origins, and why the publisher and the author aren't more open to acknowledging the foundation that 50 Shades is based on. As Robin from Dear Author said to me, without Twilight, this book wouldn't exist.
Some authors that I've talked to are very upset about the origins of 50 Shades, and are alarmed and outraged that a book based on the character work and development of Stephenie Meyer is achieving so much attention and profit. It raises the question of who, exactly, the characters belong to, especially when recasting them in alternate universes, stepping outside the "canon" of the original. If a publisher is willing to pay 7 figures for a book that began as Bella and Edward in a new location and universe, with the names changed and some additional ending material added, does that open the door for more beloved characters to reappear under new names?
Other readers who have corresponded with me, particularly those who are avid fanfic readers, don't see the conflict and the outrage, since 50 Shades is, to them, so very different from the original.
The entire phenomenon makes me question where the "ok, then" line is, and what this means for publishing in the future. It's ok to do homages. It's ok to rewrite Beauty and the Beast fairy tales sixty different ways (and I will so totally buy them all). It's ok to write parody and satire, and nod to obvious influences and include winking jokes and references to older source material that fans will totally catch. That's all good - and I've enjoyed some of it.
But the debate continues as to whether a book that began as fanfic ever diverged from the original enough to qualify as original work. DearAuthor is running a comparison of both Master of the Universe and 50 Shades of Grey to test Vintage's assertion that 50 Shades is an original work after Vintage "defended '50 Shades' as an original creation with a passionate following:"
“It is widely known that E.L James began to capture a following as a writer shortly after she posted her second fan fiction story,” Vintage said in a statement. “She subsequently took that story and re-wrote the work, with new characters and situations. That was the beginning of the ‘Fifty Shades’ trilogy. The great majority of readers, including fan fiction aficionados, have found ‘Fifty Shades’ deeply immersive and incredibly satisfying.”
It seems to me, as the coverage increases and readers talk to me via social media or via email, that many people who are discovering and loving this book don't really care about the origins, or even the real identity of the author, though it's been revealed by some UK newspapers. Readers who love this book love the story, love the experience of it, and the thrill of experiencing what everyone it seems is talking about. It remains increasingly popular. Even my mother in law has heard of this book - as well as my six year old.
The week before last, I was talking to my older son, known hereabouts as Freebird, about my job, and mentioned that I was writing about a book that I didn't like but that many people did. He said I should write about why people like it, and that it's ok if some people don't.
So when I told him yesterday that I might be on Good Morning America talking about a book, he said, "Mom, is this that book that you didn't like but lots of people did?"
Me: "Yup."
Freebird: "You're STILL talking about that book? That was last week!"
Heh.
So now that my six year old and my mother in law are both aware of 50 Shades of Grey without having read it, I think we might have reached some sort of maximum saturation point.
This book really has achieved astonishing public consciousness. What do you think of all the coverage and discussion? Does it bother you that 50 Shades began as Twilight fanfic? Is it the book you're reading now? What do you think?
Filed: General Bitching, Random Musings
Tagged: fifty shades of grey, fanfic, fandom
Tina Chaney said on 03.13.12 at 05:36 AM • [link]
I haven’t read the book(s) and probably never will. However, considering the upteen million versions of Austin’s and Bronte’s works, which actually use the same characters (up to and including have the same or very similiar names), it’s hard to get worked up over something that started as fanfiction, as long as it significantly diverges from the original. If the characters’ names have changed and they are in a different universe with a different plot, it seems a little strange to say that it’s somehow still Meyer’s property. I mean, we might know this story’s origin/inspiration, but who’s to say that there aren’t a lot of books out there that had a beginning in something else that the author read and loved?
Anony Miss said on 03.13.12 at 06:10 AM • [link]
I read the first free chapter of 50 Shades on my Kindle, and it didn’t make me want to slay the heroine as fast as the first free chapter of Twilight. So that definitely means something.
... dunno what.
Sarah W said on 03.13.12 at 06:43 AM • [link]
I finally received a patron request to buy this book. So far, we’re the first library in a twenty-member consortium to do so and I only bought it because someone asked.
My reluctance to buy this book for our collections wasn’t because it was originally fanfiction—I like the stuff, myself—but because the reviews weren’t great.
Personally, I probably won’t read it, because I’m not fond of the source material and the things that irritated the reviewers irritate me, too. But if it was originally BBC Sherlock fanfic (that managed to survive any and all litigation), then I’d probably be first in line.
LG said on 03.13.12 at 06:57 AM • [link]
“Other readers who have corresponded with me, particularly those who are avid fanfic readers, don’t see the conflict and the outrage, since 50 Shades is, to them, so very different from the original.”
I’m a fanfic reader and I definitely DO understand the conflict and outrage. Maybe it makes a difference that I used to write both original fic and fanfic?
I never wrote AU fanfic, and I don’t tend to read AU fanfic either, because my reasons for reading fanfic stem from a wish to see the characters and world live on - it’s just not enough for me to read about people with the same names and personalities if everything else is vastly different. However, having written fanfic, I do understand how even having another author’s characters’ personalities to build something from can make the writing go a little easier. It’s one less thing you don’t have to invent on your own.
I haven’t read 50 Shades and don’t plan to, because I refuse to knowingly buy repurposed fanfic. From what I’ve read, though, 50 Shades of Grey does sound a lot different from Twilight, maybe borrowing only the character personalities and some of the relationship dynamics. Even so, those aspects gave James something she didn’t have to create herself. I’d be a whole lot less uncomfortable with this whole situation if James had published a work that had never been posted as fanfic. Heck, she could have even splashed big “I published something, if you like Master of the Universe, go buy the book I just published!” notices at the top of her fanfic. Publishing Master of the Universe as original fic just seems so…lazy. And kind of sleazy.
Sarah Wynde said on 03.13.12 at 07:19 AM • [link]
Full disclosure first: I wrote about a quarter million words of fanfic for the television show Eureka. That’s about four novels worth of stories. Then I wrote an original novel and self-published it. IMO, my original story is quite original. I don’t want to sound like I’m selling it, because that’s not my intention, but I’ve had reviews on Amazon that say it’s unique, different, a fresh take, etc. (And no, my mom didn’t write my reviews!) That said, the book is set in a small town (as is Eureka) with a cafe and a top-secret research facility (as has Eureka) and the town has secrets (as does Eureka). I dedicated it to the cast, creators and crew of Eureka for first inspiring me and then annoying me into originality. Many of my first readers and reviewers were from the Eureka fanfic community and there are lots of hidden allusions that only Eureka fans will get.
I tell you all this just so my biases are really clear, because I find the furor over Fifty Shades’ fanfic roots ridiculous. Bella and Edward are traditional Harlequin romance characters! The powerful male, dangerous and yet protective, and the innocent heroine, unaware of her own sexual powers—I was reading those characters when I will eleven years old, which was a long, long time ago. Charlotte Lamb wrote 100 books with those two as the hero and heroine probably before Stephanie Meyers got out of grade school!! Even if Fifty Shades is word-for-word Master of the Universe with the exception of name changes, it’s an alternate universe fanfic, which means a different setting, different plot, different events entirely. It’s original work that uses two trope characters. Trope characters that Meyers did not invent! She invented sparkly vampires and there are none of those in Fifty Shades.
And the idea that without Twilight the book wouldn’t exist just seems ridiculous: or rather, couldn’t you say the same about a solid 50% of the YA books published in the last five years? The success of Twilight opened the doors for a flood of supernatural YA with vampires and werewolves—all of those books, even the ones that are good in their own right, largely exist because of Twilight. The difference with Fifty Shades is what, exactly? That EL James posted to a fan-fiction community first? Why in the world is that anything other than smart marketing? A community of people existed who might like her work and she showed it to them. If I could find the community that likes heroes who play video games and foosball and heroines who talk about sonoluminescence and quantum vacuum radiation, I’d definitely want to see if they liked my book.
If Stephanie Meyer’s publishers thought that the similarities between Twilight and Fifty Shades were anywhere close to a copyright violation, they’d be suing faster than you could read this lengthy post that I’m writing. (I spent ten years as an acquisition editor for a non-fiction division of Pearson so even though I’m guessing, it’s guessing with a lot of experience to back it up). They’re not, so it’s not, so James has done nothing categorically different than any other author who uses something invented by an author who has come before. Which means all of us. The idea that every published book is completely original is…well, completely ridiculous.
LG said on 03.13.12 at 07:36 AM • [link]
What you mention, all the different books that have been published that could basically be considered Austin and Bronte fanfic, is something I’ve been thinking a lot about. I read Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, for instance, and Amanda Grange’s Mr. Darcy, Vampyre, and I didn’t feel nearly as upset about those as I do about the publication of 50 Shades of Grey. I’ve been trying to sort out the reasons why this is, and I think it comes down to 1) those works are honest about what they are (no name replacements, for instance) and 2) the author of the original work is long dead. There may be other things factoring into my discomfort, but that’s all I’ve been able to settle on so far.
#1 is particularly big for me as a reader. I like to know what I’m dealing with when I read something. 50 Shades of Grey is strange in that so many people know it started off as fanfic, and yet there seems to be so much avoidance in officially recognizing this. Why did James replace all the names? Why is Vintage calling it an original creation? Either it’s original fic, and should have been posted or published as such from the start, or it’s fanfic. It can’t be both. If there weren’t anything wrong with publishing Twilight fanfic, the same way other authors have published Austin fanfic, why isn’t there more openness about the book’s fanfic origins?
Wifeshee said on 03.13.12 at 07:36 AM • [link]
Just saw your interview on GMA, so of course I had to buy book 1, will let you know what I think.
Joanne said on 03.13.12 at 07:44 AM • [link]
Freebird is my hero.
SB Sarah said on 03.13.12 at 07:45 AM • [link]
I would really like to hear your opinion! I think the promise of a revitalized sex life, as so many readers have said when interviewed, is part of what’s driving sales. Sadly, it made me feel somewhat sad and bleak, and not at all the reaction that others had!
Christina McPants said on 03.13.12 at 08:03 AM • [link]
This isn’t the first AU fanfiction I’ve seen turned into a published novel. I don’t know, since an AU is a completely separate world and premise, I don’t have a problem changing character names and adding material to make it different. The characters used from whatever source material shift are not the characters the source created - they’re the way the fic writer sees them. Tweaking them to make them wholly their own doesn’t seem like a HUGE DEAL, mostly because they’ve already made them their own in a different context.
Pgagnon1951 said on 03.13.12 at 08:09 AM • [link]
You know, the early 21st century may well be known as the age of the reboot. So much erstwhile creative work is derivative and proud of it. Nor are the originals uniformly artistic. Take Pride and Prejudice and Zombies & co. The Austen piece: classic. The zombies: not so much. Of course, most of Shakespeare’s work is taken from earlier sources as well, and many of those sources were quite familiar to his audience. Also how many writing careers are initially inspired by the writer’s admiration for some particular author or style of writing? How many romance writers were devoted readers first? It seems to me that the major difference when it comes to fanfic is that the aspiring writers develop publicly and make their mistakes (sometimes fatally) in public as well. How many people spun sequels to their favorite books inside their own heads or, in my daughter’s case, collaboratively and hilariously with her high school band buddies.
It seems to me that if 50 Shades is read and loved by readers who are not part of Twilight Nation, then James has gone beyond the merely derivative. I have not and probably will not read 50 Shades, but I can’t see that where she started is more important than where she ended up. I think the fact that we can see the underpinnings is more unsettling than the fact that the petticoats were borrowed from Meyers.
Jeannie S. said on 03.13.12 at 08:18 AM • [link]
Isn’t that how author’s get their idea? Something they see or hear (or read) makes them say “what if this happened?” I haven’t read the book (I probably will succumb at some point and see what everyone is talking about), but it seems that the relationship between Bella and Edward (I have read the Twilight series and liked it well enough then) sparked an idea and the author used her own imagination and writing skills.
I think it’s great that Twilight inspired so many books - I think she gave other author’s confidence to go out and try their own writing skills.
Lynne Connolly said on 03.13.12 at 08:33 AM • [link]
I just think it’s wonderful that such a fuss is being made about a book! In the week after the release of a new idevice, a book is taking all the headlines.
It’s a wonderfully resilient thing, the story. People will read what they want to read, and scoff when they’re told the book is dead.
Denny S. Bryce said on 03.13.12 at 09:09 AM • [link]
Whoa! Sorry just catching up on this story - had no idea the book was based on a story originally done as a fanfic. But seriously, there are other books out there I just know it that have their origins in fanfic, just like there are a number of authors and aspiring authors (moi) who have a lengthy background in fanfiction (Buffy/Spike 4-ever)...now I’m compelled to read it:)...
Katherinelynn_04 said on 03.13.12 at 09:35 AM • [link]
Many authors are inspired by the works of others. It’s something to be expected. Though I have never read 50 Shades, it sounds so much different from Twilight as to be it’s own book, without all of the shenanigans surrounding it. It may have first been posted as fanfic, but it certainly became something different. Having a base for characters is just the beginning of a story, the author must come up with the emotion and the conflict, which so obviously exists in this book if it evicts such strong reactions from readers. So Meyer may have inspired 50, but she certainly didn’t write it.
Sunshineyness said on 03.13.12 at 09:47 AM • [link]
The reason the mainstream press isn’t mentioning the fanfic roots is because I’m fairly certain the mainstream press doesn’t know or understand the murky copywrite world that fanfic exists in nor what fanfic is in the first place.The mainstream seems more concerned with the crazy notion that we ladyfolk- even the happily married motherly kind- enjoying reading about the sexiness. Shock. Horror.
I remember when all fanfic was your attempt at writing a stand alone X-Files episode, fixing it so Buffy and Angel totally never broke up, or making Spock and Kirk “do it”. I used to love fanfiction when was a teen and in college b/c it was a fun way to play in all the fandoms I was in. I read a lot of it and wrote a bit of it too. I stopped when I started taking my writing career seriously and simply just lost interest in fan written matierial
I have to say this. When did fanfic writers start taking themselves so seriously? I think this is my main problem. If you want to write an AU fic that diverges so far from the fandom you’re in why bother making it a fanfic in the first place? It seems to me you do this when you want the comfort and security that the fanfic world provides. It’s a world where people are more forgiving of plot and structure flaws and blown away when the typos and basic grammar structure are well done. It’s not the big scary world of publishing where you’re held to much higher standards and even if the book is great and well written can still get turned down for any various crazy reasons.
I’m not comfortable with the idea of a book that was once a fanfic of a non-public domain book (published fanfic of public domain work annoys me to the extreme but not on an ethical level since, again, the source material is in the public domain) is now repackaged as an original book because to me it is a flood gate being opened a crack and if this is okay than what else is “okay”?
Laurel said on 03.13.12 at 09:50 AM • [link]
Everything is derivative, basically. Twilight was clearly inspired by the characters of Pride and Prejudice (along with a zillion other novels and movies). The Byronic hero is one of our most cherished archetypes. After finally breaking down and reading Fifty, I’d say the only similarity between them is the character dynamic and the over-the-top, soap opera style storytelling. And the fact that it is set in the Pacific Northwest when the writer is obviously British.
(Britishisms crop up everywhere. People wear “smart” clothes and “collect” each other instead of pick someone up. With the hero’s active sex life and dislike of condoms, I kept hoping for a “bangers and rash” joke.)
I agree with the premise that Fifty would not have been successful without the Twilight springboard, but more because of the unlikelihood that it would have been published traditionally. The large online following is what made Fifty appealing to a publishing house to start with. It came with a built-in customer base, also known as a platform.
The writer had fun. No one is pretending it’s literary fiction. Apparently, a lot of people are enjoying the read. It seems that what has everyone so frustrated is that the writer managed to make a lot of money when she didn’t start off with an original idea, especially when there are better written works struggling to get published. But really, nobody has started off with an original idea since Mary Shelley came up with Frankenstein.
Sarah Wynde said on 03.13.12 at 10:00 AM • [link]
Writers having fun? Writers being playful? Writers not taking themselves or the big scary world of publishing seriously? Writers writing for the joy of it, then sharing their work because they think other people might have fun reading it? All those things are probably okay in the world where an original story can be first posted as a fanfic and then be published and become a NY Times bestseller.
Bnbsrose said on 03.13.12 at 10:19 AM • [link]
Be afraid be very afraid. The local (WGN Chicago) news station is going to broadcast an “expose” on the women’s erotica “phenomenon”. Apparently it’s an “underground” movement. And the book they’re reading? Oh, yes,
“50 Shades of Grey”. Grab your bibles and your torches people! It looks another round of women like reading about sex and it’s ruining the moral fiber of this country witch hunt. I generally like the reporter, so maybe I’m wrong… maybe….
As to why the new media isn’t jumping on the fanfic angle? If Ms. Meyers isn’t publicly railing about it, there’s no story for them. And let’s face it. Talking about women liking erotica is more likely to generate viewers for media outlets that prefer to play to the lowest common denominator.
Jenny Lyn said on 03.13.12 at 11:08 AM • [link]
I’m on the fence about the whole fan fic issue because I tend to want to agree that James changed enough of the details to make it “different” from Twilight. With all the kerfuffle over Fifty, I think that if there were grounds for any type of lawsuit by Ms. Meyers it would’ve been filed by now. But then again, those things take time so who knows? It might still be on its way.
I have not read the book nor do I have plans to. I didn’t like Twilight, which I DID manage to slog through, and the prices are ridiculously high, given that this is self-pubbed, unedited, and a new author.
Here’s the things that bother me about the book getting so much publicity:
For one, it’s poorly written and unedited. Just bad, bad, bad. Some of the sampled dialogue and sex scenes I’ve seen on websites, including DA and SBTB, make me cringe.
Secondly, it paints BDSM as something not normal, that needs to be cured, that’s caused from some type of past trauma, and that’s just wrong. That this is some folks introduction to BDSM makes me want to cry at that injustice. There’s so much better work out there to choose from. DA did a great post with recommendations.
My hope is that at the very least this will open the door for the people discovering erotic romance, and its many genres, to explore what else there is to offer. Please, please, people, I beg you to explore!
As far as Fifty goes, I wholeheartedly agree with Sarah…I’ve reached my maximum saturation point.
Teri Anne Stanley said on 03.13.12 at 11:44 AM • [link]
Interesting…I bought this without having heard any of the brouhaha about it. I’ve read about 1/4 of it, and it’s kind of fallen a little lower on the “being read” list as I pick up a few other things that interest me more. It didn’t strike me as something I’d read before at the time—although, of course, now that I think about it, yeah, I get the Twilight simliarities.
*Sigh*
Now that I know there is CONTROVERSY, I guess I’ll have to go back and finish it. Though I struggled through the Bella and Edward saga, too, so maybe I can just skip it.
CK said on 03.13.12 at 12:51 PM • [link]
“It seems to me you do this when you want the comfort and security that the fanfic world provides.”
That and the instant gratification of writing a popular pairing of a hot fandom. “OMFG! This is sooo hawt! Rite mor! Sequel! You’re awesome! Love it!”
That’s when fanfic authors started taking themselves so seriously. When they have legions of ‘fans’ themselves and buy into their own hype. Would James have such a following in fandom if she had picked a less popular pairing? Say Bella/Victoria (just throwing it out there cuz of rule 34). Or if she wrote it in the ‘real’ Masters of the Universe fandom and it had been He-Man/She-ra. (James couldn’t even come up with her own title, the possibly only worse title would have been My Immortal but that’s a different can of worms.)
JoAnn said on 03.13.12 at 01:13 PM • [link]
Thanks for the laugh!! God forbid women want to read about sex. No wonder the romance genre gets such a bad rap.
Maggie said on 03.13.12 at 01:34 PM • [link]
It does not disturb me in the least that this book began as fan fic of Twilight. It does, however, disturb me that from all intelligent sounding reviews, this book appears to be total crap.
But then again, I sat through a book club meeting once where the virtues of “Eat, Pray, Love” were extolled ad nauseum. I remember sitting around a living room with my dearest, dearest friends and thinking “Who ARE you people for liking this crap?”
Ah well.
Hey, that book was popular among the Upper West Side mommies, too!
Lordy….
Lisa A said on 03.13.12 at 01:43 PM • [link]
I’ve been searching the GMA site for a clip of your interview but haven’t found anything. Sarah, would you let us know if the interview becomes available online?
Jen said on 03.13.12 at 01:49 PM • [link]
The way I see it. She wrote words. Her own words. People liked them. What more is there to say? I don’t get it. She posted a fanfic; people raved. Someone suggested that if she changed a few things it could sell in the marketplace. She decided to be brave and try it. I’m guessing she was just as surprised by its success as we are.
I hated Twilight and this story doesn’t appeal to me in the slightest so I won’t buy it just to find out what the hype is about.
Someone suggested these are stock characters and by the sound of it, I would have to agree—could be straight out of the first romance novel I read at the tender age of 11 by Kathleen Woodiwiss.
Jenny Lyn said on 03.13.12 at 02:00 PM • [link]
My head just exploded.
ksattler said on 03.13.12 at 02:04 PM • [link]
I doubt that I will read it. I have avoided reading Twilight and subsequent books. What I’ve heard of 50 Shades doesn’t inspire me or make me think I’d enjoy it.
As for what you’ve described as 50 Shades being fanfic set in an alternate universe based loosely on characters written by someone else, well, yay. I mean copyright in the U.S.A. is out of control and was meant to be in place for only a short time (7 years originally) so that the initial creator could obtain some profit for their work and then it was open to the public to inspire new work, build upon the old to obtain something new and possibly (or not) better.
Sugarless said on 03.13.12 at 02:18 PM • [link]
You know, I’m on board with its fanfic origins. I haven’t read the book, and if it’s as poorly written as some of the comments seem to indicate, than I won’t be likely to; there are so many other BDSM books I could look into and get a better storyline, better characters, and a more interesting exploration of that little bit of kink. But with regards to its fanfic origins… I’m not concerned. Actually, I think it’s kind of cool.
Jennifer Crusie and Bob Mayer thanked the creators of Buffy in the acknowledgements page of Wild Ride. Whether or not you enjoyed the book, the point still stands that, while it was clearly not a derivative work, it was clearly inspired by the Buffy story. I’ve read AU fanfics, and I can honestly say that many of them have so little to do with the actual story, characters, or universe, I’ve finished them and gone “Why on earth was this listed under this fandom?” In these cases, it’s obvious that they needed a bit of a starting point until their characters took on lives of their own.
I’m willing to bet that every author in here has started working on a story with a base that was inspired by something else. I see nothing wrong with having a staring point like that as long as the story and characters take on lives of their own. And why on earth would it be a problem to start your writing in an encouraging and forgiving community? I’m not sure how that’s a bad thing.
Now I’m not sure how similar this book is to Twilight, and my support hinges entirely on the notion that it is its own story with its own characters, and that it would not be recognizable as a Twilight fanfic. I’m not going to find out for myself because that would require reading this book, which I’m not sure I’m going to do, and Twilight straight through, which I’m definitely not going to do. But I say, if it’s clearly her own story, more power to her for getting it published.
(Oh! Wanted to make another point - to those saying that their problem is that it’s not specifically marketed as a derivative work. There are two perfectly sensible, not at all dishonest reasons why they would not want to do that. 1) If they openly marketed it as a derivative work from Meyers, it would open them up to all kinds of legal kickback about attaching Meyers’s name to a story not her own and attaching her work to something that clearly takes on a different tone entirely. THAT’S where the litigation would come in. 2) Fanfic is a scary place sometimes. Even more so to people who are not into fanfic. It has negative connotations of crazed fans. (which, you know, fair enough sometimes) From a marketing standpoint, why would you label it as such? It would completely limit your audience.)
Michelle said on 03.13.12 at 02:36 PM • [link]
I found and read the 50 Shades series based on a Kindle recommendation list, without hearing anything about it—I know, what rock was I living under?! And I have also read the Twilight series. At no point while I read 50 Shades did it ever dawn on me that it was derivative of those works of fiction. Maybe I am a complete moron (and members of my family and friend base may confirm that), but I just didn’t see it. I still don’t, but I haven’t read thefanfic either.
I don’t think they were the best books I have ever read. Though, I don’t think the editing was terrible (particularly in light of some of the ebooks that I have read). I do think the author is British and didn’t bother to use American English phrases consistently throughout the books. I don’t think it demonized BDSM, but addressed the behavior of an individual and someone who did indeed treat him badly.
And I really believe that if you are going to comment specifically on the quality of writing, editing or content of a book (or series of books), that you should probably read them.
Michelle said on 03.13.12 at 02:38 PM • [link]
And I’m going to comment on myself. A) Apologies for my typo. B) I think the dialogue about fanfic and derivative literature is fascinating, so keep it up. Love this site. :o)
Estelle said on 03.13.12 at 02:48 PM • [link]
50 Shades is so far removed from Twilight that I don’t see what the “But it was a fanfiction first” fuss is about. In fact, it’s my main beef against Twilight fanfic in general: most are what’s called “All Human” (AH) and have almost nothing to do with the original. Why not write it as an original story in that case? I think the answer is in one of the comments above: fanfic writers want the huge number of fanfic readers and the security and feedback it provides. They wouldn’t be read so widely if they’d published it on the net as an original story.
Me? If I choose to read a fanfic, I want that fanfic to have the characters and worldbuilding I enjoyed in the original with just enough of a twist to make things exciting.
Master of the Universe (now 50 Shades) and so many other Twilight “fanfics” are just original stories with the main characters named Edward and Bella.
Sugarless said on 03.13.12 at 04:13 PM • [link]
(Apologies for the typos)
Sarah Fuhrmeister said on 03.13.12 at 04:29 PM • [link]
This type of “expose” strikes me as the reason this book is causing such a kerfuffle in the mainstream media. A vocal contingent seems quite concerned about women’s ladybits: What we’re doing with them, with whom we’re doing it, when it’s being done, if we are somehow finding a way for taxpayers to subsidize these ladybit activities… As such, I’m unsurprised that the mainstream media has leapt upon the discussion of “50 Shades” as another aspect of this. I’m concerned that the angle is along the lines of: “A lot of women are reading a book that could lead them to thinking about maybe using their ladybits in a less than completely vanilla manner! Your tax dollars may be supporting this behavior! How can we stop or control this?” But maybe I’m just paranoid.
Marg Bates said on 03.13.12 at 05:18 PM • [link]
The GMA piece was just played on Australian TV - you’ve gone international.
I have read Fifty Shades and I don’t get what the fuss is - regardless of its fan fic origins, of the BDSM aspects etc it just didn’t work for me as a book. I haven’t seen too many regular romance readers who it has worked for.
It is difficult to pick exactly what is going to go viral and when. I guess we can just expect a few more years of the next Fifty Shades….sigh.
Jennifer Armintrout said on 03.13.12 at 05:18 PM • [link]
I don’t know from ethical, but it’s sure as hell tacky to “rewrite” your fanfiction and sell it. And I say that as an author who has written fanfic for years. Has Stephenie Meyer weighed in on this?
pamelia said on 03.13.12 at 05:51 PM • [link]
http://www.hulu.com/watch/3390…
There’s the hulu link to the piece.
Alpha Lyra said on 03.13.12 at 05:57 PM • [link]
I have no interest whatsoever in reading this book. But I’m not bothered by the fact that it’s fanfic with the serial numbers scrubbed off. We all take inspiration from the stories that made an impact on us. It sounds to me like the author changed things sufficiently to make this qualify as an original work.
Bnbsrose said on 03.13.12 at 06:08 PM • [link]
I’m trying to keep an open mind, but when you use words like “expose”, it rarely means they’re going to say something good about something you like. Again, the reporter who put out the heads up is generally a good natured, fun loving sort of guy so I’m hoping it’s in the spirit of good fun - especially since he said he couldn’t put the book down. Fingers crossed.
And if you listen to the retoric being bandied about in the political forums, you have to wonder how all the ills of society come down to who controls the lady bits. I’ve listened to reports on NPR that make my stomach turn.
lizwritesbooks said on 03.13.12 at 06:28 PM • [link]
Just my $0.02, but a fanfic purchased for lots of money and reworked with the names changed isn’t new. Cassandra Clare’s books started off as Harry Potter fic. A historical vampire slayer series—the titles and author escape me, since I don’t read much of anything historical, vampire slayer or no—began as historical Buffy fan-fiction. It happens. And it’s not necessarily a bad thing. Just because something started as fan-fiction doesn’t mean it can’t be original: in setting, characters, plot, et cetera. On the flip side, there are several books out there I’ve read that were “original” in the sense that they’d never been published as fan-fiction, but were essentially reworks of popular books/shows/movies with the names changed.
I read the 50 Shades trilogy. I wouldn’t say it was good. But it was engrossing. I live-blogged the last book on IM with a friend whose baby wouldn’t go to sleep. (Can you live-blog on IM? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.) There’s a term in fan-fiction for this kind of book: crack fic. It isn’t good. But you can’t look away. I never finished Twilight. Not even the movies. So maybe I’m not the best person to speak on the matter of whether or not the work itself is derivative. Hell, the author herself even admits that it began that way. But I didn’t see it.
I wrote fanfic years ago, and even moderated a forum where this kind of thing—where is “the line?”—came up quite frequently. So believe me when I say this discussion—not necessarily on this forum, but in general—needs better terminology. “Derivative” and “fan-fiction” are not synonymous, and using them as such (Jane at Dear Author recently referred to Bridget Jones’s Diary as fan-fiction, which is incorrect) only breeds confusion. Fan-fiction is writing about Buffy and Angel, Edward and Bella, Sam and Dean, without their creator’s knowledge or permission. Works like Lee Goldberg’s MONK books are licensed works—the people who own the rights to Monk have licensed the rights to those characters to a publisher, who in turn hired him to write the books. Derivative works start at one place—Pride and Prejudice—and end somewhere else—Bridget Jones’s Diary, Epic Fail, Prada and Prejudice.
There’s more to it than that when you factor in things like copyright laws and public domain. Linda Berdoll can publish books featuring the characters and situations from Pride and Prejudice, but publishing an Eve and Roarke story is plagiarism; Seth Grahame-Smith can write about Abraham Lincoln as a freaking vampire hunter but publishing MY NIGHT IN PARADISE WITH JOEY FATONE is considered libelous. And then there’s Susan Elizabeth Phillips, whose characters WHAT I DID FOR LOVE were jarringly similar to Brad/Angelina/Jen. Why is that OK—changing the names of real people—and this—changing the names of fake people—not OK? Is it because she doesn’t come right out and say “This is about Brangelina, yo.”? Is keeping mum about a work being derivative somehow more ethical than being up front about it? It gets complicated quickly.
It’s unfortunate this book was originally published as fan-fiction, because if it hadn’t been, if the author had written the story exactly as she did, using Edward and Bella as a literary bouillon cube and changing the names before she sent it out, I doubt anyone would have put two and two together. If you look for similarities between 50 Shades and Twilight, you’re sure to find them. But then, that could be said of 80% of the books out there, more if you include paranormal young adult. I can’t help but feel like people pick on this book because a) they hate Twilight, b) they hate fan-fiction. And I guess, well, haters gotta hate, right? But who knows. Show me a similarity that is specific to Twilight, and that other authors haven’t also exploited, maybe I’ll change my tune.
Kylie Lacusky said on 03.13.12 at 06:32 PM • [link]
As someone who once wrote some (pretty smashing) fanfics, I do kind of have a problem with it. I mean, in the Harry Potter fanfic circles, there are certainly some very famous stories that a huge number of people have read (not mine, sadly) and I think I’d have a pretty serious beef with an author if they did a hasty name-swap and published it and started making money off of it, especially if it gained best-seller status. I think the “ok then” line, as you call it, is drawn in different places, but for me the writer’s characters should be more than just stand-ins for another author’s, especially an author as recent as S.Meyer. It’s not bad to draw inspiration from characters, to write a book who’s heroine reminds you of Ginny Weasley because she was your favorite, but to write a book that’s ABOUT Ginny Weasley, then change her name to Anna Stand-In, is a problem.
I also think that the fanfiction link isn’t being discussed because, at least to me, Stephanie Meyer isn’t exactly held up as a paragon of great fiction writing. Outside her rabid fan base, her works are dismissed as childish and shitty quick reads without much substance behind them (whoops, am I letting some personal bias in?). Everyone has friends who hate Twilight, is what I’m saying. (And if you don’t you’re probably 12 and you like it.) So no one’s saying “Hey, this is Twilight fanfic,” because they know that Twilight has certain associations, like preteen girls and awful movies, and I think that could pretty seriously affect people’s perceptions. Not to mention, a LOT of people don’t understand what fan fiction is, or how it works.
Also I’m willing to bet this chick is a better writer than S.Meyer.
So those are my thoughts.
Christina said on 03.13.12 at 06:36 PM • [link]
I got to watch that segment and was disappointed to see how lame it was. There was a lot of opportunity to really discuss the popularity or disgust with the book, but all it was a lot of really silly comments and behavior and seemed a waste of time. Discussing lack of availability, “Mommy pr0n (grrr!), how it’s supposedly saving marriages added nothing to what has been discussed elsewhere. But it was good to see Smart Bitch Sarah and what little they aired of the interview.
CK said on 03.13.12 at 07:01 PM • [link]
Thanks for the link, Pamelia.
I have to say I’m rather horrified and embarrassed for these ‘professionals’ who are reporting on this ‘phenom’. I haven’t seen one…ONE!...news report by the mainstream media that didn’t involve the tittering, giggles, ‘mommy porn’ tag by adults who should freaking know better. It’s all…heehee, sex, heehee, which reminds me of Beavis and Butthead.
lizwritesbooks said on 03.13.12 at 07:06 PM • [link]
OK, let me say this about that. I had a bit of a crisis after I read the first book. Because I’d heard how SEXY and SPICY and HOT and TABOO the book was. How it was saving marriages. How it was changing lives. How it was Story of O and Fear of Flying and watch out, zipless fuck, you’re going to be replaced!
And I walked away thinking, “Oh my god. This is what people think is kinky.”
Because I dunno. Maybe I’ve only dated pervs and didn’t realize it until now or something, because that’s some vanilla BDSM, yo. And I’m confident I have never, in all my years of the sex-having, had sex on the bottom as many times as Ana did in her first week of being a submissive. Holy Missionary Position, Batman.
I will say this, though. The second book ditches the BDSM “kinky fuckery” nearly completely (Spoiler: Christian spanks Ana too hard and they decide to go “vanilla” for a while. Dude. Seriously. My grandmother spanked me harder when I cursed in church when I was seven. MAN UP, ANA.) and focuses instead on a suspense plot that was the best kind of insane. Smartest move in the book, IMO.
kara-karina said on 03.13.12 at 07:37 PM • [link]
It doesn’t bother me, because an obsessive stalker as a main hero is not Twilight prerogative. I actually drew comparisons with Mickey Rourke in Wild Orchid and 9 & 1/2 weeks when I read Fifty. E.L. might have started with a fanfic, but I don’t think the books as current have anything to do with Meyer’s work.
Jennymgardiner said on 03.13.12 at 07:49 PM • [link]
i love the little aside about your son. Wise fellow…I hadn’t heard of this at all (of course I live in a vacuum) until industry folks mentioned it at PASIC this weekend. I made a note to check it out but haven’t yet. Off to do so now (but if has anything to do with Twilight, I’d take a pass anyhow LOL)
Jennymgardiner said on 03.13.12 at 07:52 PM • [link]
Ok so I just read the 1st review on Amazon and had to laugh. This from a semi-retired gynecologist:
“The book’s protagonist is college student Anastasia, who has never had sex or even “touched herself.” I had to suspend disbelief at the social and sexual naivete of this twenty-one year-old, but I guess this implied vulnerability makes her more attractive as a romantic heroine. Yet it doesn’t take her long to rectify this situation, and soon she is having orgasm after orgasm at the behest of her “dominant” partner, Mr. Grey.
“At my age, my arthritis flared up just reading about Ana’s sexual gymnastics. And for some reason, I kept thinking about her contracting genital warts. Soon, however, Ana’s endless pyrotechnic climaxes resembled repetitively watching porn: after a while, it leaves me bored and yawning. That said, there was a definite infectiousness to the plot; and taking Viagra to stiffen my resolve, I persevered.”
hilarious
Sarah Wynde said on 03.13.12 at 08:22 PM • [link]
You know, speaking as a former publishing professional, publishing the book as fanfiction first isn’t unfortunate, it’s brilliant marketing strategy. She built an audience for her book before it was even published. Those people started the word of mouth ball rolling. If Fifty Shades was just one more piece of erotica on Amazon, it’d probably still be unknown. I bet a ton of her early reviews were from the fan fiction audience that already knew and liked her work.
In a publishing world where reality television stars get million dollar contracts because they’ve proven they have an audience base, she did the same thing—developed an audience base first and then published. From a business perspective, it’s really, really smart. I’m not sure I’d be willing to write Twilight fanfic to do it, but picking out a popular fandom and developing fans of your own within it is probably an excellent strategy for authors. Long-term, the issue for authors might not be about derivative work but about publishers demanding you prove you have an audience before they’ll take a chance on you.
Nabpaw said on 03.13.12 at 09:02 PM • [link]
I should begin this by saying that i haven’t read this book and I haven’t read much fanfic. in fact I’ve only read one fanfic and it traumatized me so much I refuse to read any others. It was about Liam Neeson’s character in Star Wars and a bad guy, possibly boba fett, but I don’t remember. In any case, there was sexual torture and that was, as they say, that. NEVER AGAIN.
Of course, that has nothing to do with 50 shades, but I thought I’d share my trauma with you. Now about 50 shades, if its different enough, i don’t care. As has been mentioned before Shakespeare ripped off all the ideas for his plays, so whatever.
Kassiah said on 03.13.12 at 10:41 PM • [link]
My issue isn’t that the idea came from Twilight characters, it’s that it was posted as fanfiction. Sure, like Laurel said above, “Everything is derivative.” But those stories weren’t posted as fanfiction first, gaining all kinds of feedback from an audience who thought it was not-for-profit. There are lots of books out there that have parallel Twilight storylines, and while that’s annoying, I don’t find it unethical. What happened to proper grammar and a solid editing process? I’m seriously concerned about the publishing industry if word-of-mouth and fan-frenzy is enough to get something published without proper edits being done.
Rosy said on 03.13.12 at 11:35 PM • [link]
I’d like to make a distinction:
I wrote fanfiction for a long time. One day, I wrote an AU. Partway through, I realized I’d rather spend my time writing original fiction - but I didn’t want to waste a good story. So I re-wrote it.
Initially, I changed only character names. Then some genders changed, as did all of the character’s personalities and motivations. The premise of the story remained the same, as did the basic plot, but how the characters interacted and what it led them to do was completely different - *because they were no longer the same characters*.
But 50 Shades of Grey is not original fiction that started out as fanfiction. It’s fanfiction with the names changed and minor editing differences.
And there is a difference.
I don’t think that the author should be persecuted, or that this should be against the law. But I do think it’s dishonest.
delphia2000 said on 03.13.12 at 11:38 PM • [link]
I can only add my two cents in thusly: 1) I’m happy for any writer who manages to get published and 2) I’ve read plenty of books in my life before I ever knew about fanfics that were so abysmally awful, I couldn’t understand how they got published in the first place and wondered if I could sue to get my money AND my time back!
corenajs said on 03.14.12 at 01:40 AM • [link]
I started 50 Shades and couldn’t finish it. Just like I couldn’t finish any of Stephanie Meyer’s four books. I did know that 50 Shades did have its origins in a Twilight fanfic, which likely poisoned me against it from the start. I didn’t have a problem with the fact that it started as a fanfic though, just that it was a Twilight fanfic :P In both stories, the hero’s power over the heroine both physically and emotionally frankly disturbed me.
As for the questions about fanfiction and original fiction…
I recently went to a reading by a science fiction author who said the inspiration for his newest novel was “What if Gandalf lived in space?”. He lifted the character of Gandalf out of Middle Earth and put him on spaceship and then explored how this character got to be the same wise old man under such wildly different circumstances. I think E.L. James did essentially the same thing with Bella and Edward, although unlike other published authors, she wrote her idea as a fanfic first, shared that story online, and then went on to modify it into an original story. I don’t think what she did was wise, but I don’t find anything ethically wrong with it. I hope other fanfiction authors don’t follow James’ path because I think authors grow when they work on new challenges. Reworking old fanfiction doesn’t offer the same potential for growth as starting a new project with the skills you honed writing that previous story.
Personally, I did what James did for about three years. I wrote a Harry Potter next generation fanfic and then tried to rework it as an original trilogy. I finally moved on to new, original stories and my skills developed much faster than they had when I was stuck in the same place for so long. I plan to go back to my fanfic, after three years of not touching it, for NaNoWriMo this year (yeah, its kind of against the rules, I know :P)
Cheryl said on 03.14.12 at 04:48 AM • [link]
I’ve read the first two books in this series, and they were actually pretty good. I will probably read the third book eventually. I haven’t read the Twilight books, so I have no comparison to decide if these books are knockoffs, fanfic, or whatever. They certainly aren’t meant for the YA crowd (I hope)!
I would give the books a solid B rating except for one thing that irritated me all the way through the books—the dialogue. It only took me a few pages into the first book to realize that the author was probably British. That’s fine, I read and like plenty of British authors, but this one needs a crash course for learning the way Americans phrase things. The way the characters’ conversations in this book were stilted and contrived. It just didn’t work well. That being said, I think Ms. James certainly has the talent to write good books. It might help if she would have her settings in the UK though.
MJFredrick said on 03.14.12 at 07:01 AM • [link]
Yes! This! Exactly! During the GMA thing yesterday, I actually wanted to hear the reporter’s answers, but the men came on and started flipping pages and giggling. :::eye roll:::
Kim said on 03.14.12 at 08:54 AM • [link]
In the public library system where I live there are over 100 copies. But, that does not keep-up with demand, as there are over 800 people on the waiting list!! This is just for the FIRST book in the trilogy.
Amazing.
Lauren said on 03.14.12 at 09:29 AM • [link]
I’d never heard of 50 Shades until Sarah started talking about it here, and I couldn’t read more than about 20 pages of Twilight without wanting to do physical damage to the furniture because Bella wasn’t around to slap upside the head. But this whole debate still fascinates me, mostly because I’m a (geeky) lawyer and it plays into the central, fascinating (to me - did I mention I was a geek?) issue of almost all copyright infringement - which is the difference between ideas and expression of ideas.
Copyright protects expression, but not ideas. Which is why you can have 8,000 books about star-crossed lovers that don’t infringe on each other, but you can only have one Twilight (thank God). In a lot of instances the line between expression of an idea and the idea itself can be pretty thin - but I have to say that if something starts out as fan fiction that possibly infringes on someone else’s ideas, but over the course of rewrites and reworkings and time passing and the author growing as a writer it evolves into something unique that was just inspired by her love of another book, I don’t see why there’s such a fuss.
Lizwadsworth65 said on 03.14.12 at 11:36 AM • [link]
I’m not particularly interested in reading this book, but its fanfic origins don’t bother me, either, as it appears to be so different from the source material as to be a non-issue. (If “Master of the Universe” had never been posted to the internet, would anyone even guess that “50 Shades of Grey” started life as a “Twilight” fanfic?)
A few months ago I read a novel reviewed on this site that I’m convinced started life as a “Supernatural” fanfic with enough details changed to avoid legal action—and that didn’t really bother me either, as the author put enough of an individual spin on the characters and setting to make them her own and keep me engaged.
Grace said on 03.14.12 at 01:21 PM • [link]
I am reading book 3 right now. I have also read the Twilight trilogy. While I can certainly see the parallels (especially, when thinking about it, Christian’s family) between the two trilogies, I have not been constantly comparing them back and forth while reading them. It’s not great literature, but it is engrossing. Anastasia is much better than Bella, although she can be annoying.
I do think the books could have used a much heavier hand at editing. I enjoyed the second book much better than the first as I thought there was a better balance of sex and story.
As a librarian, I helped a customer from another system yesterday who was asking about the book. I doubt we will buy it, but who knows.
Virginia Llorca said on 03.14.12 at 07:51 PM • [link]
I don’t get the problem if she wrote the fanfic in the first place. But I kind of don’t get the fanfic phenomenon. And, for sure, I could never get through the Twilight series, tho my somewhat intelligent daughter loves them. The thing is, really, if you read the sample on the Amazon page, which I did, you would probably feel like maybe it would be nice to find out what happens next but damn this style is annoying. Maybe that is just my own POV and dialogue quirks as I heard it is Amazon’s number one seller as of this a.m. Don’t eat grapes, much less sour.
mamakitty729 said on 03.14.12 at 08:57 PM • [link]
I read Fifty when it was first starting out on Twilighted.net as Masters of the Universe. I never got the chance to finish it, since I stopped reading fanfic for a while when school got to be too crazy (recurring theme for me, I know) and I was too overwhelmed with writing papers to be able to do any pleasure reading. When I first heard about Fifty Shades of Grey, I thought the plot sounded awfully familiar, but it didn’t connect until the controversy hit. And honestly, I don’t mind one bit that it started out as fanfic. And I’m not saying this because I happen to write fanfic (or I used to - again, I don’t have a lot of time to do anything with school deadlines), but I think that alternate universe fics, when the minor details that make it a fanfic (names, details like eye color, hair color, location, etc) are changed, it essentially makes it an original story. Does that mean that the idea originated with the characters based on another author’s work? Yes. But don’t authors get ideas from other places all the time? Watching a movie, reading books, watching people in the park… ok that last one is a tad creepy, but you get my point. I think people just ultimately want something to talk about and have something else to bitch about in the press. And, of course, something else for Dr Drew to stick his nose in that he has no idea what he’s really talking about.
Jen B. said on 03.14.12 at 09:29 PM • [link]
First, congrats on your GMA bit. I was so excited when you popped up in the article! Second, I didn’t know it was Twilight fanfic. Ewww! Just kidding. Sort of. I haven’t actually read the book yet. I am just excited that GMA didn’t trot out stupid Dr. Drew to talk about it like the other morning show did. Now that was truly EWWWW! He is so clueless. I do plan to read it but it’s not at the top of my to do list. Honestly, all stories come from somewhere so big deal that this one came from Twilight. I read all of the Twilight books and EWWWW! The ending, it hurts! The better issue is, is the book well written? Did the author do their homework before writing the book? Is the book properly edited and formatted? Is all of the material truly original? Finally, will reading this book encourage people to search out more books and keep reading?!!
boogenhagen said on 03.14.12 at 10:38 PM • [link]
Pastiche is fine, but there is no excuse for bad, cheesy BDSM scenes - not when there is so much quality out there to learn from.
Martsmoons said on 03.14.12 at 11:32 PM • [link]
I accidentally bought it. Swear. I wish I could get my money back. Skipped to the end and thought it would redeem itself by the girl leaving but then she had to be all *sob sob*.
I don’t see twilight in this book. I read all of those and thought Bella was to stupid to live through most of them but again, I don’t see a resemblance.
But to those that do like this series, good for you.
Angstriddengoddess said on 03.14.12 at 11:35 PM • [link]
You got me curious enough to read the first chapter. (How bad could it be, I thought.) I didn’t make it past page 2 before I started to wonder about it:
“The roads are clear as I set off from Vancouver, WA toward Portland and the I-5.”
Who on earth drives from Vancouver to Seattle by way of Portland?
Cara said on 03.15.12 at 01:15 AM • [link]
Coming in to this late as usual, but…
I’ve finally realized that what makes me tweeked about these books isn’t so much the fanfic thing, nor is it even the fact that something as low-brow and misguided as the 50 Shades books are now being regarded as some kind of “face” of erotica and BDSM erotica.
No, what jerks my jaws about the whole ordeal is the juvenile behavior of the media coverage. With very few and too-brief exceptions, everyone from the broadcasters to the “breathless housewives” seem to be incapable of discussing sex without giggling or smirking like a damned 12-year-old. And that makes me kind of want to weep and scream at the same time. Gee, thanks for setting back the entire romance and erotica genres 30 years, guys.
Anonmint said on 03.15.12 at 08:45 AM • [link]
It’s times like this where I wish I’d spend that $10 for a Something Awful account, they need to tear this series a new one in the Fandom Lunacy thread.
Jody Wallace said on 03.15.12 at 09:23 AM • [link]
What I want to know is, in book 4 of 50SoG, what will the baby be named? And how will Christian perform the C-section, maybe with some of his faux-BDSM toys? Can you really flail someone that hard? At the least, he’ll need a flechette knife. Oh, and one more thing. When the adult male sidekick “imprints” on the oddly named baby, will he end up in jail?
LG said on 03.15.12 at 11:16 AM • [link]
The media reaction reminds me why I tend to look almost solely to blogs for my publishing and book news now.
LG said on 03.15.12 at 11:31 AM • [link]
The problem is that “Master of the Universe” *was* posted on the internet as fanfic. If it hadn’t been, if 50 Shades of Grey had just been another book with certain similarities to Twilight, I don’t think there would be any controversy. There are lots and lots of books that are similar to Twilight in one way or another. Similarities between works are what allow me to come up with lists of read-alikes for books. The issue for me is that James directly used Twilight fans. It was published as Twilight fanfic, so her fanbase started off as only Twilight fans and fans of Twilight fanfic (not necessarily the same thing). When it got really popular, THEN she published it for profit, and fans of the fanfic did a good chunk of her marketing work for her. From everything I’ve read, it’s not even like 50 Shades of Grey is a major rewrite of Master of the Universe - most of the changes are name replacements and minor wording tweaks.
Would 50 Shades of Grey have been as popular if it hadn’t been originally posted as fanfic? Would James have published it if “Master of the Universe” hadn’t gotten popular? My suspicion is that the answer to both of these questions is “no,” but I’m really interested to see if James ever publishes any original fiction and how well it does if she does.
rings90 said on 03.15.12 at 10:22 PM • [link]
May I just keep reading my copy of “The Story of O” & maybe 1 or 2 of Henry Miller’s Novels?
Lisa A said on 03.16.12 at 04:04 AM • [link]
NPR has an article discussing the fanfic aspect of 50 Shades, and they mention Jane Litte. http://www.npr.org/2012/03/15/...
Athena Grayson said on 03.16.12 at 02:57 PM • [link]
50 Shades might very well exist without Twilight or its fandom, but I would bet you good fanbucks that it wouldn’t have made it in front of a *tenth* of the eyeballs it did without having characters whose names were first “Edward” and “Bella.”
There are unspoken rules of engagement in Fandoms. One of the big ones is you don’t disrespect the original creators (because they can and have shut you down), and the other is that you don’t take advantage of the other fen or try to make money ripping off the original work.
As far as pulling inspiration—authors who do it honestly pull it from several different sources, not a single source. Christian Gray is still Edward Cullen with the teeth filed down, and Ana is still…whatever Bella was, aged a few years and transplanted into a different town. There are plenty of fanficcers who moved into original fic and their fan communities know about it. But they didn’t sell their fanfics for profit.
Athena Grayson said on 03.16.12 at 03:26 PM • [link]
The original “publishing house” also started its life as a fanfiction archive.
I think what so many people find offensive is that the author deliberately trolled the Twilight fandom in order to piggyback off the many fans of the original franchise.
Over at Dear Author there’s a list of the egregious similarities in not just the characters, but their situations, too.
L Hasan said on 03.17.12 at 12:40 AM • [link]
I think one of the problems here is the notion that any story is “original.” There is really no such thing. Everything is derivative of something else in some way. Admittedly, fanfic is much more directly related because of its overt use of character, universe, and place; however, using those elements as a jumping point to start is not a betrayal of whatever rule of ownership. Let’s remember that even Frankenstein was subtitled The Modern Prometheus and borrowed/was inspired by Ovid’s myth, as well as a story written in 1790 called Frankenstein of the French Revolution.
It is a curious thing to know the origins of a work that is being read and then hold it in comparison to its source material or inspiration. We want to pick it apart to find the similarities and differences, and then sit in judgement of which of the two does the better job. I read the sample chapters of 50 Shades of Grey on my Kindle and was just as bored and disinterested as I was when I read Twilight. EL James may have re-worked a fanfic, but at the end of the day it is a poorly written book that caters to a demographic who *were* enthralled with Twilight. As has been mentioned previously, Twilight also opened the market to a plethora of copycat themed paranormal human/vampire/werewolf stories that have a tendency to be obvious and boring. If James can make enough changes to her original text, then she has created her own version of original. Fanfiction, especially AU fanfiction, does require a great deal of investment to both the source and the authors idea of who those characters are and what that narrative is outside of the canon. Whether or not James successfully alters her narrative and characters enough, I will probably never know. As mentioned, I was not enthralled by the sample chapters and I disliked Twilight, so I will not be visiting this particular ‘verse.
All of that said, I am more than positive that there are PLENTY of works of published, “original” fiction that owe their existence to some other source, maybe even as a form of fanfiction. I read Cassandra Clare’s Mortal Instruments series and was reminded of nothing so much more than Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Whether or not she was a fan or had ever seen an episode, I don’t know, but that first book, especially, read like fanfic reworked.
Kylwtsn said on 03.17.12 at 05:59 PM • [link]
The one thing that really bothers me is the fact that nobody mentions the incorrect grammar and punctuation in this book! While she wrote the fanfiction, she told a reader of the fic to go kill herself because she translated it into her own language so people in her country could read it.
Yeah, real superstar.
Iccolor said on 03.24.12 at 12:38 AM • [link]
Check out Finless by Davee Jones similar genre but more style in the writing. Due to be released by Secret Cravings Publishing. Pre release copies are available. Other work by this up and coming author can be found at Amazon.com “On Ellicott Street” in ebook format,
Lagris said on 03.24.12 at 03:00 PM • [link]
I haven’t read any of the Twilight series books but after I read all 3 Fifty Shades series I ran into an article about movie stars with iconic features and Kim Basinger’s mouth in Nine and 1/2 Weeks came up…light-bulb moment! I looked up Nine and 1/2 Weeks in Wikipedia which lead me to Wild Orchid and now it seems to me that the Fifty Shades series are based on both this movies. I mean they’re almost the same thing combined!!! I liked the 50 the books, and maybe because I’m foreigner and have only been speaking English fluently for less than 8 years and I didn’t catch as many mistakes as other readers did I wasn’t as annoyed, but certain words (British ones included) and repetitive expressions did make me roll my eyes a few times. And maybe because I’m in my early 30’s it was odd to read about a character like Christian as a 27 year old. He seems at least 37. The story definitely transports you to a sexual fantasy scenario but I cannot picture a grown woman who does not want to be in a D/s relationship, letting herself into the humiliating aspect in some of the sexual encounters; even if she’s inexperienced and not sure what’s right and wrong in terms of the things she should be letting him do to/with her (personally I know there are a couple of things that I regret having done as a young totally infatuated girl just so my boyfriend would want me like a wanted him). I’m all for spicing it up and getting kinky but some things seem to cross the line into a situation that would have the barely-willing-Sub doubting her believes, self-esteem and worth when she’s not with the Dom. If you can get pass these and enjoy the fantasy then go for it, it was fun to read!
Nancy L said on 03.28.12 at 10:14 AM • [link]
Thought you would find this amusing
http://storify.com/atshaffer/5…
Hstendhal said on 04.25.12 at 02:35 PM • [link]
Here’s a very funny parody of 50 Shades called Fifty Shades of Black and Blue http://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Sh…
Trudi Stafford said on 05.12.12 at 03:33 AM • [link]
She isn’t.
Trudi Stafford said on 05.12.12 at 03:49 AM • [link]
Why are people using the argument that “everyone’s ripped off someone else, nothing is original” argument… really? So it’s not wrong if “everyone is doing it / has done it in the past?” That is such a cop out.
There is an ethical and legal line here, and we best get better (and real serious real fast) at detecting where it is. Many people seem to feel that regardless, the likes of Stephanie Meyer and the Twilight books simply aren’t worth defending (aren’t “original” enough) but aside from any of her obvious shortcomings as a storyteller, I see the 50 Shades phenomenon as a dangerous (not harmless) precedent for other authors, their published works, and original character creations.
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