Elyse Watches The Bachelor Episode 11: An Apple and a Starfish

Elyse Watches The Bachelor with Kraken Rum and CokeFinally, finally it’s the season finale of the snooze fest that is this season’s Bachelor. 

Unfortunately it’s three hours long, and I don’t even know how the hell they got three hours of usable footage of Arie. Allegedly there’s a big scandal because Arie regrets his choice.

The Bitches and I discussed earlier:

RHG: You’d think a piece of beige carpeting wouldn’t have so much trouble.

Sarah: Who was it that called him a beige pashmina come to life? (YES: Ali Barthwell, all the applause.) He’s like plain yogurt. Room temp. This could be a competition. How boring is Arie? Preschool paste, no salt.

Amanda: A piece of boiled chicken.

RHG: Factory raised boiled chicken. I have watched none of this season. I haven’t read all of the recaps (like, unless I know there’s a point where Arie tries to get someone to drink pee) and all I’ve seen are the ads that played during the Oscars last night. And I was so bored looking at this store brand vanilla pudding face.

So anyway, we have three fucking hours to listen to Arie say “Yeah” while women talk about “being open to this process.” We’re down to two final contestants, Becca and Lauren.

I’m going to be slightly distracted while writing this as I’m supervising Dewey and his new baby brother, Fisher, playing. Fisher joined the family this weekend after being found in an ice shanty with a fishhook in his mouth (hence the name). I assumed Dewey wanted to be an only cat and it turned out that assumption was wrong. Or that Dewey thinks we got him his own pet, which is entirely possible.

A kitten lays on a book looking as though he belongs there. He's black and grey tabby with white patches

Anyway, these two are 1000% more entertaining than Arie.

So we open to a studio in the darkest pits of hell, where Chris Harrison is hosting a live viewing party. Chris promises me that this will be the most shocking Bachelor finale ever. Sure. Then we start the show.

Arie’s family has arrived in Peru to meet Becca and Lauren. Arie muses that he’s in love with both women which makes his decision a tough one. Lauren gets to meet the family first.

“Wait, now which one is Lauren?” my husband asks.

“The one talking?” I say.

“No, I mean did she have a …”

“Memorable personality? No.”

To be honest I think Lauren is the best match for Arie because frankly, Lauren is pretty bland.

During a one-on-one conversation, Lauren tells Arie’s dad that she’s afraid of getting engaged and breaking up, since that’s already happened to her once. Arie tells his brother that he’s worried that if he marries Lauren he’ll have to reassure her all the time.

Isn’t reassurance part of marriage? What a douche canoe.

Then we get a commercial break and I remove Fisher from Dewey’s food bowl.

Next up Becca is meeting the family. “How are you feeling? How’s your head?” Arie asks.

For a second I think that Becca had a head injury that I missed last week, but then I realize that Arie is asking how she’s doing emotionally.

Becca says that she and Lauren are completely different. “It’s like comparing an apple to a starfish.”

…okay.

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The starfish from Finding Nemo dances

After Becca leaves, Arie’s parents tell him that they think that Becca is a better match for him.

So then we cut back to the studio. Caroline, who chewed Arie out during The Women Tell All, is with Chris Harrison.

“I think what he did to both of them is not fair,” she says, without explaining what he did.

“Do you believe he fell in love with both of them?” Chris asks.

“I don’t think he knows what he wants,” Caroline says.

Thanks for telling us NOTHING you guys.

Then Chris says that Arie is in a very bad place, and that based on their conversations Arie was hoping the last few dates would help him make up his mind and keep him from making the biggest mistake of his life.

He’s proposing to a woman on TV, not joining a cult, Chris. Unless…if he chooses wrong does he die? Did I miss a really important part of this?

Arie and Lauren cuddle under an umbrella overlooking I believe Machu Picchu.

So anyway, Arie and Lauren go to Machu Picchu. On the ride there Lauren says “I can still picture the first day. Like, everything that happened. Like, me walking up to you and you forgetting that you met me in Dallas.”

Wait. He forgot he’d previously met her? And she’s charmed by it?

These two are meant for each other.

There’s a lot of mist and wet kissing. Lauren and Arie both say “This is amazing,” about thirty times. Lauren also adds, “I love that.”

Everyone take a shot.

As info, right now Fisher is zonked out in the cat tree and Dewey “sneaks” up on him and then runs away as fast as he can, trying to get Fisher to chase him.

During drinks with Lauren, Arie keeps pulling at the thigh of his jeans like he’s a toddler who has to pee.

Arie and Lauren walk and talk. It's misty and they are wearing rain coats

Lauren tells him, “I feel like we see the world in a very similar way. And I love that you can walk into a room and I can know exactly what you’re thinking.”

I know exactly what he’s thinking too, Lauren. Nothing. He’s thinking about nothing. Literal white space.

Then Arie asks how she imagines their life together, and I expect the answer involves a lot of beige décor and flavorless foods.

Arie tells the camera that he’s in love with Lauren and he could propose to her right now.

We cut back to the studio. Chris sips from a goblet of blood. Sienne and Bekah M are there. Sienne has no voice and Chris jokes that she’s “doing a Krystal.”

Ouch.

Both Bekah M and Sienne think that if Arie is this conflicted, he shouldn’t propose to anyone.

So then Arie and Becca go on their final date. They go shopping in Cusco and pet some llamas.

Arie and Becca feed a llama

Becca tells Arie that she’s afraid that he won’t pick her, and it will break her heart.

Arie tells the camera that he can see Becca as his wife and the mother of children. Which is exactly what he said about Lauren ten minutes ago.

“To lose him, in one day, to someone who is so different than me is unimaginable,” Becca says.

Then Becca reads to Arie from her journal where she reflects that she met Arie on the anniversary of her father’s death.

I…okay.

“I love that,” Arie says.

What the fuck is wrong with these people?

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Britney is confused

We cut to a shot of Arie walking down a dark street saying, “I’m in love with two women.”

Back to the studio. Chris briefly interviews former Bachelors Ben H and Jason. He asks them what Arie is going through. Jason says he can see Arie’s pain and since Arie hasn’t had a single discernable emotion yet, I call BS.

I’d like to point out that at least an hour of this bullshit three hour finale is sad music playing while people look into the distance while holding coffee mugs or wine glasses. The best part is that Arie doesn’t know how camera angles work so we can see that his mug is empty. Like his soul.

The cats are now passed out completely, exhausted from playing and the painful slog that is Arie’s blandness.

Finally, we’re at the end. Arie paces in a suit in a field while a single rose sits on a table. Lauren gets out of the limo first and Chris Harrison, like some fucked-up father of the bride, escorts her to Arie. The field is strewn with some random shit that I think is supposed to make us think of Peru and features wandering llamas. The effect is that it looks like someone forgot to clean up after an epic party.

Lauren walks through a field. She's wearing a silvery white fringed dress.

Lauren talks about how special and rare her relationship with Arie is, and how confident she is that they’ll be together for the rest of their lives.

They hold hands and Arie takes a deep breath.

“I’m freaking out,” Lauren says. She tells him that meeting him helped her break down the walls that kept her from falling in love.

Arie is now crying. I think. I don’t see tears but there’s sniffling.

“You’re the man I’ve been looking for my whole life,” Lauren says.

Arie’s breathing gets weird and he might be having a panic attack. For real.

“Last night I was awake all night thinking about this moment. And I wanted it so bad for us. But there was something that was holding me back. And I just….I can’t go through with it. And it’s not anything I can explain other than I gave it everything I had to see if it would work,” he says.

Lauren legit does a McKayla Maroney face.

Gymnast McKayla Maroney purses her lips in annoyance.

“I’m extremely confused,” Lauren says. Then she gives him a cold “I wish you the best.”

Arie walks her to the car and she tells him, “I still love you.”

“I love you too,” Arie says.

WTF dude.

Lauren pulls away in the Limo of Tears. She says she feels betrayed.

“I feel a little bit like a monster right now,” Arie says.

Honest to God, I just took a drink directly out of the Maalox bottle.

So then Becca arrives and Chris escorts her to the field where Arie paces.

Becca approaches Arie. She's wearing a strapless black lace gown.

Arie and Becca hold hands and talk at each other, but none of it is interesting. Arie says they are a “team.”

He gets down on one knee and proposes to Becca. She accepts and takes the final rose while dramatic music plays.

“When are we gonna start having babies?” Arie asks.

Cut back to the studio. Chris strokes the long-haired white cat sitting in his lap. He teases us that coming up is the first reality show segment that’s completely unedited.

Um. Okay?

We come back from commercial break and Chris says, “Normally this is where our story ends.” THANK GOD.

But no. We’re not done. I still have an hour of this shit left.

We see clips of Becca and Arie hanging out together post show, playing chess and making pizza.

Then Arie says to the camera, “Sometimes when I’m doing these little getaways with Becca, I think how would this be with Lauren? And it kills me because I have this great woman right next to me.  I go to bed and I think about Lauren. And I wake up and I think about Lauren. And I know Becca sees my struggle. She sees the fact that my mind is somewhere else. She knows that I think about Lauren.”

Yikes.

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Lucy from I Love Lucy gasps

“It’s difficult because I was in love with Lauren, and it’s hard to separate those feelings of loss. And I thought, okay, the feelings of this breakup will go way, just like any other breakup. But they didn’t. With Becca I just feel an immense amount of guilt, ” he says. “It’s not fair for her to be in a relationship where someone is half in. I told Becca I’d choose her every day, and I know I made that commitment, and it kills me that I’m going back on that, but I have to follow my heart.”

So then we cut to a room somewhere (presumably in hell) where Chris Harrison asks Arie if Becca knows he’s going to break up with her, and Arie says no.

“I’m doing it because I love Lauren,” Arie says.

Then we cut to Becca saying she’s back in LA for a “happy couple” weekend with Arie. She seems super happy and I’m absolutely dreading this. I can usually swallow this BS without an issue, but my stomach honestly hurts for this woman. She’s talking about how she can’t wait for their life to start together.

I’m getting nauseated. They are emotionally ambushing Becca in a way that’s just cruel.

Then we go back to the live studio where everyone is booing.

Fuck you ABC. This is extra shitty even for you.

Fuck you ABC

A ferret rolls aound on a couch, pulling pillows down on top of itself while the words "fuck this, fuck that, fuck everything" flash.

Chris tells us that the footage we’re about to watch is completely unedited and “raw.” Chris, I defended you. I ignored the fact that you obviously serve an eldritch horror. I stood up for you. But I’ve lost my respect for you. Screw you and your dumb spray tan.

Arie opens with asking Becca if he can talk to her. It’s obvious something is up and she looks nervous.

“Being with you, even though it’s been everything I’ve wanted, I still think about her. And I think you sense that,” Arie says. “For me, the more I hung out with you, the more I felt like I was losing the possibility of maybe reconciling things with Lauren.”

Becca looks crushed. “Are you fucking kidding me?” she asks.

“I have to follow my heart, ” Arie tells her.

“Was this when you had your conversation with her?” Becca asks.

“When I spoke to her I realized all that feeling was there still.” He adds, “Here’s the thing. We left Peru and I didn’t want to be as honest with you as I could about how conflicted I felt.”

Is this guy auditioning for the Douchebag Awards?

He tells Becca that he would be half in it with her, but not with Lauren.

Gillian and I agree

Gillian Anderson smokes a cigarette while dressed as Dana Scully and says he's what you might call a fucking asshole

Becca looks pissed. Becca looks like she might be scanning the room for a stabbing implement.

“This is embarrassing,” Becca says. She’s mad that he proposed in the first place if he wasn’t sure.

We cut back to the studio. Chris keeps saying “raw and unedited” like we’re watching bear attack.

Becca goes and gets her suitcase. Arie tells her that he’ll leave, she can stay.

He stands there awkwardly. “Well, I’m not going to hug you,” she says.

Good for you Becca. Punch him in the balls.

“I want you to go,” she tells him.

Fisher has left the room to leave me a truly horrible gift in the litter box, and that turd pile is still better than Arie. Dewey refuses to come in the room with the TV. He has standards.

We get five minutes of Becca crying. Seriously. It’s awful. I’d rather watch a bear attack someone live on camera. Preferably Arie.

Arie WHO CAN’T TAKE A FUCKING HINT goes to talk to Becca and says, “Hey are you okay?”

OF COURSE SHE’S NOT YOU FUCKING TOOL.

“Just leave,” Becca says, “What are you still doing here?”

Rich is actually getting really mad right now. “She asked him to leave. He needs to leave. He’s not listening to her.” He says, “Seriously, get the fuck out. This is not okay behavior.”

Yeah, I think that’s been an issue for him in general.

“Can you talk to me for a few minutes?” Arie says, an example of entitled toxic masculinity in action.

“Don’t touch me,” she says and walks away.

None of this is good. He needs to leave her alone. She told him to and he’s not respecting that and I have a huge problem with it. Even airing this normalizes his unacceptable behavior.

Arie broke up with Becca but wants her to absolve him of emotional accountability for his actions.

“C’mon, can you just sit down with me,” he whines.

To which I say:

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One of the real housewives of somewhere says Fuck You

Every time Arie opens his dumb mouth to say something like “I couldn’t give that to you when I’m in love with someone else” I want to punch him in his throat.

Also maybe Chris Harrison has had me under his dark spell this whole time. He looks positively stuffed with the negative energy he feeds on. Maybe the orange-ness of his skin is directly proportional to how satiated he is.

Fisher just knocked over a stack of books. Ooh. I forgot I had The Scandal of it All.

“Okay, I’m going to go,” Arie says, then sits there like a pile of dookie.

We cut back to the studio where Becca, freshly humiliated, sits with Chris Harrison. Becca says she was in love with Arie, but that she hasn’t seen him since that day.

So then I’m finally released from my pain when Chris tells us we’re out of time. But hey, there’s a show tomorrow so they can really profit on Becca’s pain.

“You okay?” I ask my husband.

“I would like two warring colonies of fire ants to attack his junk,” he says.

Me, too. Me, too.

So, what did you think of the finale? Are you watching tonight? 

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  1. LF says:

    Haven’t watched an episode of this show. I’m just here for Fisher

  2. Bobbie says:

    These recaps almost make me want to watch the show. Almost.

  3. Elspeth says:

    I was wondering if he failed to leave the house when asked because of his previously mentioned problem with walking through doors. maybe he doesn’t understand the difference between “in” and “out”.

  4. Megan M. says:

    Ohhhh man. I had already spoilered myself on these events but hearing about how it actually played out is just awful. Worse than I imagined. Elyse, I love your husband and I concur wholeheartedly about the warring factions of fire ants. Fuck you, ABC, seriously. To tape this and air it?? Ugh. To subject Arie on these women and America in the first place?? Ugh. I’m disgusted.

  5. Ren Benton says:

    WELCOME, FISHER!

    *floof glee wears off*

    the more I felt like I was losing the possibility of maybe reconciling things with Lauren

    Doesn’t proposing marriage generally coincide with forfeiting reconciliation with others? Surely there’s a children’s picture book explaining what marriage is that’s written at Unisom’s comprehension level that could have been read to him before the show started.

    The next show better be Lauren explaining to Arie, in small words, what a shitstain he is and throwing him to literal wolves.

  6. TheoLibrarian says:

    I read the spoilers so I knew what was coming but wow was it hard to watch. I feel so bad for both Becca and Lauren. No one deserves to be stuck with this guy.

  7. Jill Q. says:

    You know the stories from Greek myth where the women in a bacchnalia find a man and rip him to shreds in a frenzy? Yeah that.

    For Chris Harrison or Arie. Not picky.

    Sorry, guys. I guess I’m in a dark place right now.

  8. Joy says:

    What in the world are these people doing? Either the network takes random pretty women all over the world to talk themselves into believing that they have fallen in love with some random goodlooking man OR the network is providing a forum where amateur actors and actresses try to convince the viewers that in this artificial atmosphere and a very short time they are in LUVVVV. I can’t decide if some of these women are self-deluding & desperate OR publicity-seeking selfish witches. And the man–I truly can’t think anyone with self-respect would put themselves through all this if it weren’t for the publicity and/or money. Have any of these “relationships” stood the test of time and adversity?

  9. MirandaB says:

    I like how Lauren was in a white (seethrough?) dress and Becca in black. Symbolic costumes ftw!

  10. Anonymous says:

    Fisher is the most precious precious creature, and clearly the universe’s reward to Elyse for suffering through this shitshow for our behalf. The universe had damn well better send Becca similar recompense. My God.

    Everything that literally everyone (except the other women; props to Caroline especially) is doing is horrifically abusive to Becca. I am so appalled I can’t even. How can someone be maximally bland and maximally douchey at the same goddamn time??? I did not believe that was possible!

  11. Katie says:

    I stress ate bread throughout the whole break-up and screamed “why won’t you leave?” 1,000 times at the tv. Will NOT be subjecting myself to tonight’s show.

  12. Rose says:

    This was horrible and disgusting and the recap alone nearly brought me to tears but HELLO FISHER HELLO HELLO!!! Welcome sweet little bundle of angel fluff!!

  13. Dear Elyse,

    I would like to take this opportunity to thank you (& your liver) for suffering through this so some of us don’t have to.

    And head scritches for Dewey and Fisher.

    I hope Lauren finds out what he did to Becca, remembers what he did to her (I love you as he dumps her? WTAF?) and junk punches him in female solidarity.

  14. Megan M. says:

    I just came across this Vulture article which is almost as excellent as an Elyse recap – enjoy! http://www.vulture.com/2018/03/the-bachelor-abc-how-to-fix-the-franchise.html

  15. Karen D says:

    Fisher is too adorable! I think we need a shot of Dewey with his new play thing. Might break the internet though…

    I commend your husband for his humor and his sense. We need more like him.

    And thanks for suffering through another season. You are a stronger woman than I.

  16. SonomaLass says:

    I don’t watch the show, but I was seeing reactions online last night and hoping you would have this up in the morning. Thank you!

    Also, I will need a recap of tonight just as promptly. Thank you in advance.

  17. Issa says:

    I heard Becca would be ambushed but I didn’t realize how bad it would be. ABC is cesspool.

  18. StarlightArcher says:

    After the horror of that shit show, can we possibly get 3 hours of “raw and unedited” footage of Dewey and Fisher being open to the process of becoming brothers and roommates fur-ever? Because it’s either that or tar and feather this asshole and the absolute monsters who are profiting from his gross behavior.

    I’m looking at you ABC. I swear to dog, how could you?! As if Racist Lee and his exotic bird smuggling wasn’t gross enough last season, you have to pull this absolute bullshit. I barely tolerated you before, now…. now I think I just hate you. Oh and while you’re at it, ABC- go tell your overlords the Disney company I don’t think I’ll be spending any money with them until they unfuck this!!!

  19. Kate says:

    Welcome, Fisher! I actually watched 98% of this mess, during which I consumed a half bottle of wine and a Moscow Mule. My takeaways are 1) Peru is nice, I want to go there; 2) is there a law that every movie made must have John Cena in it now? and 3) Chris Harrison is a horible excuse for a human being.

  20. Darlynne says:

    “To lose him, in one day, to someone who is so different than me is unimaginable,” Becca says. WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN? That you’d feel better if you lost to someone just like you?

    The Washington Post has two articles about this hot mess. I’ve read neither and think their time would have been better spent sharing pictures of Fisher and Dewey.

    ABC is the same network that brought us Extreme Makeover, plastic surgery edition, BTW. I suppose we should have seen this coming.

  21. Maite says:

    I have a suggestion: can we have recaps for a “Dewey and Fisher” edition? There’s clearly some interest.

    We all get to enjoy Elyse’s recaps, and ABC/Bachelor loses the free publicity/trending stuff.

    Or the imagined adventures of Becca and Lauren, as they both are adopted by kittens who will protect them from ABC, Arie, the Rose God, and Chris Harrison.

  22. Ken Houghton says:

    “Anyway, these two are 1000% more entertaining than Arie.”

    It’s not nice to insult cats, especially ones whose notes in this comment thread alone are much more than 1000% more entertaining than the Legacy who makes eatin’ paste seem exotic.

  23. Trixil66 says:

    I’m so happy for Fisher and for Dewey, who now has his own kitten. Also happy for myself that they appeared in this recap to break up the WTF-ery that is the tv show. I’m all in for a Fisher and Dewey show and willing to pay for advertising. As a side note, why don’t I find a kitten in MY ice shack?? If anyone has a spare stray kitten, I can give you directions and a key.

  24. Todd says:

    Elyse, you are a brave, brave woman for doing these recaps. Perhaps post pictures of Dewey and Fisher as a palate-cleanser (although I suspect nothing short of bleach will erase this show for anyone who watched it). From your recaps, I would watch an equal number of hours of Dewey and Fisher rather than this lukewarm mess of a show.

  25. Louise says:

    Based on the above comments, I think we have a decisive new criterion for Bachelor selection in future seasons. If he is not more interesting than the reviewer’s cat, don’t build a series around him.

  26. Liza S says:

    Welcome, Fisher! You and Dewey are adorable and wonderful and thank you for all the loves.

    —–giant line of separation to keep Fisher’s welcome far away from the following sentiments———–

    I’m sorry this series even exists now after the abusive behavior toward Becca, and another huge FUCK YOU ABC.

  27. chacha1 says:

    Dewey + Fisher* is the only relationship story I want to take away from this trainwreck of a season. WTF ABC.

    *pictures pleez!

  28. Christy S. says:

    Good God, Elyse! You have put in way more time and agony than any soul should have to. I watched this episode and thought, “Am I really this relationship-challenged to think that this is not super-weird, aggressive behavior on Arie’s part and Becca should think about punching him when the camera is off?” It was so deranged I went to Twitter – hey, look! Even the Twitter-verse says this is f-ed up in real time.

    I want to see something bad happen to Arie almost enough to watch round 2 tonight. But no way do I want to do something that validates ABC’s BS.

    Fisher is the shiznit. Awesome for Dewey, for you, for the hubs. For everyone but Arie and Chris Harrison, really.

  29. Betsydub says:

    Remember when “Jimmy Kimmel Live” ran “The Baby Bachelor”, with Jimmy’s three year old nephew as the star? That kid had more common sense than Arie. And probably less poopy diapers.

    Welcome, Fisher! Can he and Dewey get their own YouTube channel?

  30. Redcrow says:

    Fisher is adorable. The reality show dude seems like the exact opposition of “adorable”. Let’s have a reality show about Fisher instead.

  31. MirandaB says:

    “If he is not more interesting than the reviewer’s cat, don’t build a series around him.”

    That’s setting the bar high. Fisher and Dewey are both really cute. You’d need a vampire billionaire pirate superhero to even get in the ballpark.

  32. Alyssa says:

    I hope ABC is playing Becca for this shit. At least now she won’t waste the next 6 months trying to make it work with that tofu jerk. Ps im deathly allergic to soy.

  33. Ruth says:

    I’ll just note that the new season of “UnReal” started last week. It’s sort of like an hour-long dramatized recap. Love it!

  34. Angie Brunk says:

    Concatulations! on your new master.

    Here is my hope for the last episode. Arie arrives to beg Lauren’s forgiveness. Unbeknownst to him, Lauren has invited Becca to join her. Lauren invites him into the house and promptly ties him to a sacrificial table strewn with roses. After both of the ladies remove his balls with rusty grapefruit spoons, they clasp hands and in a show of female solidarity plunge a sacrificial dagger into his chest to discover a whirring mechanical pump where his heart should be. At this point Arie finally removes his human suit and reveals his true and monstrous form.

  35. Prathi says:

    @Darlynne ““To lose him, in one day, to someone who is so different than me is unimaginable,’ Becca says. WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN?”
    I think she’s trying to say, “I can’t believe he’d choose someone so dumb and uninteresting over me,” but without sounding like a b@#$%*.

  36. Minerva says:

    This is The Bachelor show to watch!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmX4CFyUCQo

    Sorry Dewey and Fisher, I don’t know if there is a cat version….

  37. Ren says:

    I’ve been saying all along that the problem with The Bachelor is the bachelor. ABC should look into a gay season of The Bachelorette. 100% less toxic masculinity (except Chris who’s impossible to get rid of at this point).

  38. Melanie says:

    I haven’t watched The Bachelor at all, but I’ve enjoyed your recaps, Elyse. Though I don’t think “enjoy” is the right word for what happened on this episode.

    Fisher, however, is adorable. What a precious face!

  39. LML says:

    I have two questions (which seem to contradict). Did I understand correctly from an earlier “Elyse Watches” that a bachelor can appear on this show more than one season? Are the bachelor and the “winner” required to get married?

  40. Elyse says:

    @LML I think there was one Bachelor who has two seasons but that was it however contestants from the Bachelor often become The Bachelorette and vice versa

    The are not required to get married (and usually don’t) but an engagement is expected. Once they spend time with each other in the real world though they usually break uo

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